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Old 10-29-2018 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Been awhile since my college business and Econ courses, but it is difficult for me to understand a business case where Delta would want its regional's to increase their overhead by having parts inventories and training programs to support aircraft they do not actually fly. I'd be glad to listen to anybody with a rationale to suggest why they might do that but none comes to my mind currently.
I guess I should have said, "Delta would want each of its regionals to fly both CRJs and ERJs." YX would have CRJs to keep OO and 9E on their toes. 9E would have ERJs to keep OO and YX on their toes. Theoretically, it'd be easier to swap Delta-owned planes among regionals if they all flew both RJs, just in case one of those regionals failed/disapparated/was Comaired.
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Old 10-29-2018 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Probably what happened is Bombardier is fire discounting there CRJ’s. So what Republic/Compass/TSA was hopping for was ERJ’s hence the ERJ LOI. Maybe Delta changed there mind and wants CRJ’s... so they have to bid to fly them. Or not..
Except Delta ALREADY OWNS the 36 E-175s doing the Compass Delta flying so they are a sunk expense. And pretty much ALL new aircraft orders are discounted from their nominal list price so I'm fairly certain Embraer/Boeing would match a Bombardier deal. Or not.
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Old 10-29-2018 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
I guess I should have said, "Delta would want each of its regionals to fly both CRJs and ERJs." YX would have CRJs to keep OO and 9E on their toes. 9E would have ERJs to keep OO and YX on their toes. Theoretically, it'd be easier to swap Delta-owned planes among regionals if they all flew both RJs, just in case one of those regionals failed/disapparated/was Comaired.
Even so, it would make zero business sense to implement the training and logistics support program until the regional actually had the contract signed and the second aircraft physically inbound. Keeping slots filled for equipment you actually DO have - both ops and maintenance - requires enough effort without building capabilities for things you don't even have a contract for.
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Old 10-29-2018 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Apparently not as bitter a pill to swallow as getting 1000 hrs of 121 FO time and holding the seniority to upgrade without having company mins for TT or ME time to upgrade though.

That seems to really be warping the attitude of those people in that situation. Perhaps that ought to be addressed in the next TA, and in the interim at least emphasized more strongly by the recruiters. Otherwise it's sort of like bait and switch.

Those affected by it seem to be turning into really bitter people.
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Old 10-30-2018 | 10:16 AM
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Being the plug for 10 months will do that to you. At this point I just want job security, I don’t care if I have to wait for upgrade.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Being the plug for 10 months will do that to you. At this point I just want job security, I don’t care if I have to wait for upgrade.
in case you haven't realized yet, there's no such thing as 'job security' at the regionals
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Old 11-01-2018 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Being the plug for 10 months will do that to you. At this point I just want job security, I don’t care if I have to wait for upgrade.
No offense but guys sat reserve for 4+ years not that long ago at the regionals...sorry your the plug but timing and luck is everything in this industry, you’ll appreciate things more later on in your career because of this
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Old 11-01-2018 | 06:48 AM
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Not throwing a pitty party here, just saying keeping the delta jets is a pipe dream
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Old 11-01-2018 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Not throwing a pitty party here, just saying keeping the delta jets is a pipe dream
EDV just offered Leave Without Pay for Dec and might extend into Jan/Feb. The growth that was coming in May has now been pushed to October due to issues with contracts.
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Old 11-01-2018 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaCorrectons
EDV just offered Leave Without Pay for Dec and might extend into Jan/Feb. The growth that was coming in May has now been pushed to October due to issues with contracts.
EVERY contract ALWAYS has an expiration date. And each side generally tries to play chicken, holding out to the last, hoping the other side will blink first. A few undisputable facts:

1. SOMEBODY will be doing the flying as long as pax are buying tickets.
2. SOMEBODY will be flying the Delta 175s because they are still relatively new aircraft.
3. If it's not the same SOMEBODIES currently flying, the new SOMEBODIES will have to be recruited and/or transferred from their current flying with all the expense and lead time all that entails.
4. As we get nearer to contract expiration time the heat builds ON BOTH SIDES to come up with a resolution that avoids costing TSH money and avoids costing Delta money.

Now those things I DO know. What I DON'T know is:
1. Will Delta squeeze hard to get TSH to sell Compass separate from the other two certificates.
2. Will one (or both) of the parties figure that the long range benefit of NOT coming to terms is worth the short term (but certainly not trivial) transition costs.

But for right now I'm flying my butt off, not being asked to take leave without pay. I think I'd rather be out here right now than back East, wondering how much flying was going to be left for me after the new baby Airbus takes away some of my better routes.

Just sayin...
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