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Old 01-31-2019, 07:04 PM
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It's not up until a fair bit later in 2020...
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Old 02-01-2019, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TillerTemptress View Post
It's not up until a fair bit later in 2020...
This is actually when it expires.
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Old 02-01-2019, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by VIRotate View Post
This is actually when it expires.
Meaning the corporate game of chicken will continue awhile longer until one or the other yields or the crash occurs.
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Maybe you didn’t get it because you’re a racist. Just a thought. You were probably *****ing about it to one of their recruiters on accident.
I don't know how it is now but back in the late 80s and early 90s United was working very hard to recruit and hire minorities to make up for past discrimination. They had quotas to fill from agreements they made with the government, EEOC I assume, although they were called "goals". In 1993 (might have been 1992) they had to pay the government 1.3 million because they did not meet their goals that year. Friends of mine with any kind of minority status with the same qualifications as me were hired 4 years before I even obtained an interview. That was just how it was.

I agree that nobody should be thinking that a preferential interview will get you much.

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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
Meaning the corporate game of chicken will continue awhile longer until one or the other yields or the crash occurs.
Yes exactly. It's just not worth the extra grey hairs worrying about it. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
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So I'm reading through this... what's the deal here? It looks like end of 2020 DAL may drop Compass, then what? Furlough a bunch of pilots because 34% of flying goes to DAL (according to the web site)? Don't want to pursue a job if there's a potential for the company to say "bye bye" after a year or 2.
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy21 View Post
So I'm reading through this... what's the deal here? It looks like end of 2020 DAL may drop Compass, then what? Furlough a bunch of pilots because 34% of flying goes to DAL (according to the web site)? Don't want to pursue a job if there's a potential for the company to say "bye bye" after a year or 2.
Risk vs reward. Reward. Rapid movement, no reserve time, fast upgrade.. Or you get hired and yes AA gives the aircraft back to Envoy and Delta gives the planes to endeavor/Republic. And you end up at Sister company GoJet orTSA.

Take the risk!!. Plenty of lateral moves at the first sign of impending doom available...
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy21 View Post
So I'm reading through this... what's the deal here? It looks like end of 2020 DAL may drop Compass, then what? Furlough a bunch of pilots because 34% of flying goes to DAL (according to the web site)? Don't want to pursue a job if there's a potential for the company to say "bye bye" after a year or 2.
Welcome to the real world. Every contract has an expiration date. The Compass-Delta contract happens to be up for renewal in a little over a year. Basically two possibilities:
1. It WILL be renewed.
2. It WILL NOT be renewed.

Nothing you can do about either of those possibilities. Contracts can also be cancelled out of cycle for a variety of reasons. Even wholly owned regionals (that is, owned by the major airlines whose colors they fly, like Endeavor and Delta and Piedmont and AA) can be sold by the major. (Compass was once wholly owned by Delta, less than ten years ago).

That’s simply reality. Is it LIKELY Compass will close its doors? No, but it COULD happen.

The history of regional airlines is littered with closed regionals, including wholly owned ones (like Comair) that were once THE place to be. For that matter, ever hear of PanAm? TWA? Braniff.

Bankruptcies are endemic in this business. Heck, Republic re-emerged from bankruptcy just a few years ago. Delta was bankrupt about a decade ago (and a lot of Delta pilots lost their pensions in the bankruptcy reorganization).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...tes#Chapter_11

If you want a career with a lot of certainty in it, well that isn’t airline pilot.

Oh, and you are misreading the graph with the 34%. That’s not the proportion of Compass flying that is Delta Connection (which is closer to TWO-thirds) that is the percentage of those pilots leaving Compass who have gone on to work for Delta.

But seriously, if you are looking for a CAREER regional, Compass is a poor fit. The average guy/gal moves on in only about three years.

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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
Welcome to the real world. Every contract has an expiration date. The Compass-Delta contract happens to be up for renewal in a little over a year. Basically two possibilities:
1. It WILL be renewed.
2. It WILL NOT be renewed.

Nothing you can do about either of those possibilities. Contracts can also be cancelled out of cycle for a variety of reasons. Even wholly owned regionals (that is, owned by the major airlines whose colors they fly, like Endeavor and Delta and Piedmont and AA) can be sold by the major. (Compass was once wholly owned by Delta, less than ten years ago).

That’s simply reality. Is it LIKELY Compass will close its doors? No, but it COULD happen.

The history of regional airlines is littered with closed regionals, including wholly owned ones (like Comair) that were once THE place to be. For that matter, ever hear of PanAm? TWA? Braniff.

Bankruptcies are endemic in this business. Heck, Republic re-emerged from bankruptcy just a few years ago. Delta was bankrupt about a decade ago (and a lot of Delta pilots lost their pensions in the bankruptcy reorganization).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...tes#Chapter_11

If you want a career with a lot of certainty in it, well that isn’t airline pilot.

Oh, and you are misreading the graph with the 34%. That’s not the proportion of Compass flying that is Delta Connection (which is closer to TWO-thirds) that is the percentage of those pilots leaving Compass who have gone on to work for Delta.

But seriously, if you are looking for a CAREER regional, Compass is a poor fit. The average guy/gal moves on in only about three years.

*This* - If you do get hired and it fills one's current needs for progression / base / etc - then make the next best decision when something occurs out of one's control. I am still actively pursuing Compass as my times are close to ATP mins because of the small footprint (west coast bases / flying), equipment and pay is relatively equal across all regionals. Sure there are unknowns but if it only lasts 1 year, one will still have a type and time valuable. Seems hiring is slow currently at compass vs. other regionals so that could be an indication of caution from the business side as well.
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Old 04-28-2019, 12:10 PM
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Most likely Compass is getting bought by RAH. Handwriting is on the wall. Gojet started losing planes to Endeavor two weeks ago, and a buddy at RAH told me last week Bedford is cutting budgets back in May and June because the company needs $10 million for something big this summer. Also staffing up the training department as well.

Probably will all go down in June or July. Compass to RAH, Gojets and TSA get controlled by UAL either through a restructure of ownership or a buyout by ManaAir or Commutair. Gojet Delta flying all ends up at Endeavor.
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