Losing Delta Flying
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I agree that nobody should be thinking that a preferential interview will get you much.
Does AirBat actually think he is being professional with his posts?
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So I'm reading through this... what's the deal here? It looks like end of 2020 DAL may drop Compass, then what? Furlough a bunch of pilots because 34% of flying goes to DAL (according to the web site)? Don't want to pursue a job if there's a potential for the company to say "bye bye" after a year or 2.
#57
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So I'm reading through this... what's the deal here? It looks like end of 2020 DAL may drop Compass, then what? Furlough a bunch of pilots because 34% of flying goes to DAL (according to the web site)? Don't want to pursue a job if there's a potential for the company to say "bye bye" after a year or 2.
Take the risk!!. Plenty of lateral moves at the first sign of impending doom available...
#58
So I'm reading through this... what's the deal here? It looks like end of 2020 DAL may drop Compass, then what? Furlough a bunch of pilots because 34% of flying goes to DAL (according to the web site)? Don't want to pursue a job if there's a potential for the company to say "bye bye" after a year or 2.
1. It WILL be renewed.
2. It WILL NOT be renewed.
Nothing you can do about either of those possibilities. Contracts can also be cancelled out of cycle for a variety of reasons. Even wholly owned regionals (that is, owned by the major airlines whose colors they fly, like Endeavor and Delta and Piedmont and AA) can be sold by the major. (Compass was once wholly owned by Delta, less than ten years ago).
That’s simply reality. Is it LIKELY Compass will close its doors? No, but it COULD happen.
The history of regional airlines is littered with closed regionals, including wholly owned ones (like Comair) that were once THE place to be. For that matter, ever hear of PanAm? TWA? Braniff.
Bankruptcies are endemic in this business. Heck, Republic re-emerged from bankruptcy just a few years ago. Delta was bankrupt about a decade ago (and a lot of Delta pilots lost their pensions in the bankruptcy reorganization).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...tes#Chapter_11
If you want a career with a lot of certainty in it, well that isn’t airline pilot.
Oh, and you are misreading the graph with the 34%. That’s not the proportion of Compass flying that is Delta Connection (which is closer to TWO-thirds) that is the percentage of those pilots leaving Compass who have gone on to work for Delta.
But seriously, if you are looking for a CAREER regional, Compass is a poor fit. The average guy/gal moves on in only about three years.
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#59
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Welcome to the real world. Every contract has an expiration date. The Compass-Delta contract happens to be up for renewal in a little over a year. Basically two possibilities:
1. It WILL be renewed.
2. It WILL NOT be renewed.
Nothing you can do about either of those possibilities. Contracts can also be cancelled out of cycle for a variety of reasons. Even wholly owned regionals (that is, owned by the major airlines whose colors they fly, like Endeavor and Delta and Piedmont and AA) can be sold by the major. (Compass was once wholly owned by Delta, less than ten years ago).
That’s simply reality. Is it LIKELY Compass will close its doors? No, but it COULD happen.
The history of regional airlines is littered with closed regionals, including wholly owned ones (like Comair) that were once THE place to be. For that matter, ever hear of PanAm? TWA? Braniff.
Bankruptcies are endemic in this business. Heck, Republic re-emerged from bankruptcy just a few years ago. Delta was bankrupt about a decade ago (and a lot of Delta pilots lost their pensions in the bankruptcy reorganization).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...tes#Chapter_11
If you want a career with a lot of certainty in it, well that isn’t airline pilot.
Oh, and you are misreading the graph with the 34%. That’s not the proportion of Compass flying that is Delta Connection (which is closer to TWO-thirds) that is the percentage of those pilots leaving Compass who have gone on to work for Delta.
But seriously, if you are looking for a CAREER regional, Compass is a poor fit. The average guy/gal moves on in only about three years.
1. It WILL be renewed.
2. It WILL NOT be renewed.
Nothing you can do about either of those possibilities. Contracts can also be cancelled out of cycle for a variety of reasons. Even wholly owned regionals (that is, owned by the major airlines whose colors they fly, like Endeavor and Delta and Piedmont and AA) can be sold by the major. (Compass was once wholly owned by Delta, less than ten years ago).
That’s simply reality. Is it LIKELY Compass will close its doors? No, but it COULD happen.
The history of regional airlines is littered with closed regionals, including wholly owned ones (like Comair) that were once THE place to be. For that matter, ever hear of PanAm? TWA? Braniff.
Bankruptcies are endemic in this business. Heck, Republic re-emerged from bankruptcy just a few years ago. Delta was bankrupt about a decade ago (and a lot of Delta pilots lost their pensions in the bankruptcy reorganization).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...tes#Chapter_11
If you want a career with a lot of certainty in it, well that isn’t airline pilot.
Oh, and you are misreading the graph with the 34%. That’s not the proportion of Compass flying that is Delta Connection (which is closer to TWO-thirds) that is the percentage of those pilots leaving Compass who have gone on to work for Delta.
But seriously, if you are looking for a CAREER regional, Compass is a poor fit. The average guy/gal moves on in only about three years.
*This* - If you do get hired and it fills one's current needs for progression / base / etc - then make the next best decision when something occurs out of one's control. I am still actively pursuing Compass as my times are close to ATP mins because of the small footprint (west coast bases / flying), equipment and pay is relatively equal across all regionals. Sure there are unknowns but if it only lasts 1 year, one will still have a type and time valuable. Seems hiring is slow currently at compass vs. other regionals so that could be an indication of caution from the business side as well.
#60
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Most likely Compass is getting bought by RAH. Handwriting is on the wall. Gojet started losing planes to Endeavor two weeks ago, and a buddy at RAH told me last week Bedford is cutting budgets back in May and June because the company needs $10 million for something big this summer. Also staffing up the training department as well.
Probably will all go down in June or July. Compass to RAH, Gojets and TSA get controlled by UAL either through a restructure of ownership or a buyout by ManaAir or Commutair. Gojet Delta flying all ends up at Endeavor.
Probably will all go down in June or July. Compass to RAH, Gojets and TSA get controlled by UAL either through a restructure of ownership or a buyout by ManaAir or Commutair. Gojet Delta flying all ends up at Endeavor.
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