Comair execs in MSP, merger with Compass
08-30-2008, 10:58 AM
#111
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Originally Posted by The Chow
Bubba,
When were you guys told that all back office applications had to be the same? Does this include maestro?
When were you guys told that all back office applications had to be the same? Does this include maestro?
08-30-2008, 06:24 PM
#112
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Negotiations could go better and would be on a national level. The companies would be safer due to price protection of tickets, no skybus coming in trying to sell $10 since their employment cost would be relatively the same, yet the airlines would be able to increase or decrease routes, chose where they want to go, do additional things like cargo etc. Flexibility would increase for the pilots without as many drawbacks as one large seniority list for each independent company. Upgrades for the young bucks would keep on rolling dodging the stagnation of the hundreds of lifers on your list and company "strong arm" ability would die down. They couldn't say "take this pay cut or risk going to the bottom of another list making RJ FO rates for the next 5+yrs".
As said previously, I stopped lurking and decided to post.
One question to this "hypothetical" is how do pilots from others sources fit into this system with a "National" seniority list? For example, U.S. Military pilots, or pilots who flew overseas? Would they be forced to start on the bottom 10 or 20 years into their flying career or would their "experience" place them into the seniority list at a level commensurate with their experience? Just something to think on.
I'm working for a regional after flying heavies in the military for 8 years. With my international experience (I know it's not 121
) I'm starting on the bottom because few mainlines are hiring and after 10 years in the military QOL is very important to me. According to some I'm selling out my fellow pilots and bringing the industry down by flying for a lower wage. That's a great POV in a perfect, theoretical industry, but my family needs to eat and I love flying to much to find another profession (or move India or the middle east, I've seen way too much sand!).So until the industry turns around or I in the lottery I'll see ya on the line, you'll know be by my 3 stripes and smile. Later!
08-30-2008, 06:53 PM
#113
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?what is whipsaw?
RickAir7777,
What is whipsaw and how does that affect pilots on two different companies??
Thanks.
What is whipsaw and how does that affect pilots on two different companies??
Thanks.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
It might be more effecient in the long run to put the wholly-owned units under one roof. But there are some downsides...
-Different airplanes means minimal savings on overhead.
-Loss of whipsaw.
-Different airplanes means minimal savings on overhead.
-Loss of whipsaw.
08-30-2008, 07:04 PM
#114
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Originally Posted by gushubble
You made some nice points here.
As said previously, I stopped lurking and decided to post.
One question to this "hypothetical" is how do pilots from others sources fit into this system with a "National" seniority list? For example, U.S. Military pilots, or pilots who flew overseas? Would they be forced to start on the bottom 10 or 20 years into their flying career or would their "experience" place them into the seniority list at a level commensurate with their experience? Just something to think on.
As said previously, I stopped lurking and decided to post.
One question to this "hypothetical" is how do pilots from others sources fit into this system with a "National" seniority list? For example, U.S. Military pilots, or pilots who flew overseas? Would they be forced to start on the bottom 10 or 20 years into their flying career or would their "experience" place them into the seniority list at a level commensurate with their experience? Just something to think on.
09-03-2008, 04:05 AM
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Here is a bone for you guys. I just got it of my company email. Maybe there is some truth that Cmr "mgmt" was in MSP. But not to discuss mergers....
Companies Plan Future Regional Carrier Strategy
The Regional Carrier Strategy Integration team, led by Don Bornhorst, SVP-Delta Connection, and Bryan Ebensteiner, Northwest VP-Finance & Business Development, continues work on a number of merger-related initiatives. The team is responsible for crafting all aspects of the future company’s regional strategy - from how to standardize experiences and products across its eight regional carriers to how to streamline supply chain and purchasing spend.
Composed of more than 20 functional experts, the Regionals team includes members from Delta Connection, Comair, Mesaba, and Compass. The team is working to ensure a seamless integration after the merger closes across all of the following areas: fleet, ground/ACS stations, IT, supply chain, facility and maintenance operations, HR, and others
Companies Plan Future Regional Carrier Strategy
The Regional Carrier Strategy Integration team, led by Don Bornhorst, SVP-Delta Connection, and Bryan Ebensteiner, Northwest VP-Finance & Business Development, continues work on a number of merger-related initiatives. The team is responsible for crafting all aspects of the future company’s regional strategy - from how to standardize experiences and products across its eight regional carriers to how to streamline supply chain and purchasing spend.
Composed of more than 20 functional experts, the Regionals team includes members from Delta Connection, Comair, Mesaba, and Compass. The team is working to ensure a seamless integration after the merger closes across all of the following areas: fleet, ground/ACS stations, IT, supply chain, facility and maintenance operations, HR, and others
09-03-2008, 06:30 AM
#118
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Originally Posted by Hot Rod Wannabe
RickAir7777,
What is whipsaw and how does that affect pilots on two different companies??
Thanks.
What is whipsaw and how does that affect pilots on two different companies??
Thanks.
09-03-2008, 07:46 AM
#119
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I think this says it very well....
Verb 1. whipsaw - victimize, especially in gambling or negotiations
cheat, rip off, chisel - deprive somebody of something by deceit; "The con-man beat me out of $50"; "This salesman ripped us off!"; "we were cheated by their clever-sounding scheme"; "They chiseled me out of my money"
Verb 1. whipsaw - victimize, especially in gambling or negotiations
cheat, rip off, chisel - deprive somebody of something by deceit; "The con-man beat me out of $50"; "This salesman ripped us off!"; "we were cheated by their clever-sounding scheme"; "They chiseled me out of my money"
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