johnso29

It would be nice if people would argue LESS, and stand together. Where do you stop? What's your personal limit? 76 seats, 90 seats, 110 seats? Where does it end? If more bankruptcy comes, will you fly even larger airplanes just because you management buys them, while you know there are other people out on the street? Yes, there are already 76 seaters out there, and they will most likely stay. But we said the same about 50 seaters, and now 76 seaters. Where does it end? When do we take a stand?

sigep_nm

I think it has more to do with when do you (a legacy pilot) take a stand. And ten years from now when you are a more senior legacy pilot and contract negoations come up, will you sell out your junior pilots (relax scope) so that you can maintain job protection and pay. The current state of the industry wasnt created due to regional pilots, and until you get that out of your head you will be posing the same question on the same deaf ears. No offense but you argument doesnt hold much water in these territories.

johnso29

OK, so I guess you're out on the fight. Obviously I know you'll fly whatever they bring on property. Nice Job Champ.

ToiletDuck

You mean like US airways for the 190? Do you bother researching at all? Sorry but 70 seat aircraft aren't going anywhere. Mainline pilots don't want them because they don't want to fly them for the rates the company would pay. More mainline jobs are created because they feed pax to the major hubs from smaller destinations.

ToiletDuck

Wherever you decide to put the scope limit at. Once the bidding is out those planes will fly. You expect regional companies to say "No we don't want the money"? There is no logical or rational thought as to why any aircraft flying today are not a direct result of decisions made by the legacy pilot group. The question should ask if NWA declared BK would YOU vote to relax scope?

Don't think for a second that the aircraft flying around today on regional certificates aren't there because of what the unions allowed. Where did you work prior to NWA?

johnso29

Us Airways wages are bankrupcty wages. Do you do research?


You really shouldn't make statments you can't back up. I would gladly fly a E170. You don't know if mainline pilots don't want them. Have you seen Air Canada?

johnso29

So you will continue to fly larger a/c, and contribute to the destruction of this industry. The planes don't have to fly, but you continue to choose to do so. Don't place all the blame on the legacy's. We all share the blame.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

sigep_nm

So you are either a single seat jet fighter pilot, or a regional pilot that never flew any aircraft that your company had on property. And yes I will fly any plane my company has on property because that is my job and that is how I get paid. I for your information am in on a fight that makes sense, but you are throwing out random fighting points that no regional pilot has any control over. So unless you can show me where I can make a difference without putting myself out on the street I am not on board. By the way i fly the Saab, so if that is making the industry worse, then I am guilty as charged.

ToiletDuck

Where do you think the E170s at RAH came from?

ToiletDuck

No we don't share any of the blame. The planes don't have to fly? So you expect a regional carrier to be awarded a contract by a Legacy then have all the pilots just not show up for work? To answer you question if my company tells me I have to fly a plane then I go fly the plane. It's not my decision whether to fly it or not if I want my paycheck. As I said before the planes are there and are going to fly.

Also as said before the reason all the aircraft exists is because the legacy pilot groups allowed it. There is absolutely nothing a regional pilot can do about it. He has no say so in the matter. You guys do. Look at CAL if you feel like trying to place the blame anywhere else. Perfect example of what iron clad scope can accomplish. You can either accept it for what it is or accept fault. One way or another the regional guys have nothing to do with it.

PS. Our pay is right in line with the entire industry considering it's a 70 seat aircraft. Don't let the engines under the wing fool you.

PPS. Your fight for putting them on mainline cert so they get mainline pay is a poor argument when first year pay is $30k for flying a heavy.