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Originally Posted by TurbineTime
(Post 2022387)
Not true. 1). They can't lease them out and have someone else fly them, violates our cba
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk But where did they end up? |
Originally Posted by TurbineTime
(Post 2022387)
Not true. 1). They can't lease them out and have someone else fly them, violates our cba.
2). The exploratory portion of the suit isn't scheduled to be concluded until this spring, this is going no where fast. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Also Delta can terminate at any time and effect that clause. Does not have to wait for the lawsuit to conclude. The lawsuit might just be Delta wanting more then planes. They want damages on top of the termination of the agreement or some thing to that effect. |
I don't want the planes, but am merely providing what I think are pertinent information to this thread.
From the RAH pilots contract I found online: G. Sale/Transfer/Lease of Companies’ Aircraft The Company or any Subsidiary of the Company, Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (the Parent) or any Subsidiaries of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. may not sell, lease or transfer an aircraft to another Air Carrier or entity for the purpose of evading the terms of this agreement. The Company, Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (the Parent) or any Subsidiaries of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. may sell, lease or transfer an aircraft to another Air Carrier or entity when the Company no longer requires such aircraft for its operation. I. Dry/Wet Lease 1. The Company will not enter into any wet lease agreement with or for any other carrier or entities (government, military or commercial) without mutual agreement with the Union. a. No Pilot within the bargaining unit will be reduced in status or lose any income or employee benefits while discussions are taking place or during the period of the wet lease. b. The Union will not disagree to a wet lease solely due to grounding of Company aircraft due to a force majeure event, i.e., governmental action or an act of nature, so long as the Company acts with due diligence to remedy the event. 2. The Company will give the Union at least thirty days’ notice prior to the effective date of the dry lease of Company aircraft to another Air Carrier or entity pursuant to Section G. At the request of the Union it may review the actual dry lease documents, subject to appropriate confidentiality agreements. |
Originally Posted by BlueMoon
(Post 2022496)
I don't want the planes, but am merely providing what I think are pertinent information to this thread.
From the RAH pilots contract I found online: G. Sale/Transfer/Lease of Companies’ Aircraft The Company or any Subsidiary of the Company, Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (the Parent) or any Subsidiaries of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. may not sell, lease or transfer an aircraft to another Air Carrier or entity for the purpose of evading the terms of this agreement. The Company, Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (the Parent) or any Subsidiaries of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. may sell, lease or transfer an aircraft to another Air Carrier or entity when the Company no longer requires such aircraft for its operation. I. Dry/Wet Lease 1. The Company will not enter into any wet lease agreement with or for any other carrier or entities (government, military or commercial) without mutual agreement with the Union. a. No Pilot within the bargaining unit will be reduced in status or lose any income or employee benefits while discussions are taking place or during the period of the wet lease. b. The Union will not disagree to a wet lease solely due to grounding of Company aircraft due to a force majeure event, i.e., governmental action or an act of nature, so long as the Company acts with due diligence to remedy the event. 2. The Company will give the Union at least thirty days’ notice prior to the effective date of the dry lease of Company aircraft to another Air Carrier or entity pursuant to Section G. At the request of the Union it may review the actual dry lease documents, subject to appropriate confidentiality agreements. |
Originally Posted by Peoloto
(Post 2022499)
They wouldn't be transferring them to get around the CBA. They would be transferring them because they can't meet their CPA and would otherwise get sued. That section has to do with alter ego airlines IMO.
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they will probably go to mainline skywest
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
(Post 2022496)
I don't want the planes, but am merely providing what I think are pertinent information to this thread.
From the RAH pilots contract I found online: G. Sale/Transfer/Lease of Companies’ Aircraft The Company or any Subsidiary of the Company, Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (the Parent) or any Subsidiaries of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. may not sell, lease or transfer an aircraft to another Air Carrier or entity for the purpose of evading the terms of this agreement. The Company, Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (the Parent) or any Subsidiaries of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. may sell, lease or transfer an aircraft to another Air Carrier or entity when the Company no longer requires such aircraft for its operation. I. Dry/Wet Lease 1. The Company will not enter into any wet lease agreement with or for any other carrier or entities (government, military or commercial) without mutual agreement with the Union. a. No Pilot within the bargaining unit will be reduced in status or lose any income or employee benefits while discussions are taking place or during the period of the wet lease. b. The Union will not disagree to a wet lease solely due to grounding of Company aircraft due to a force majeure event, i.e., governmental action or an act of nature, so long as the Company acts with due diligence to remedy the event. 2. The Company will give the Union at least thirty days’ notice prior to the effective date of the dry lease of Company aircraft to another Air Carrier or entity pursuant to Section G. At the request of the Union it may review the actual dry lease documents, subject to appropriate confidentiality agreements. The only aircraft that would be considered no longer required for the operation would be the 145's, which is what Bedford wants anyway. As I stated before, the delta painted 170's will be moved over to the United operation as a nearly 1 for 1 replacement for the canceled ejets. If Delta was going to unilaterally cancel their contract, you would think they would have done so already, well before they got into a protracted lawsuit with a contractor. Plus republic has now filed a counter suit against delta claiming delta owes a significant sum of money (don't have the figures in front of me, won't speculate) related to the current dispute. In reality, this is looking more and more like Bedfords way of getting down to a single fleet type. I don't agree with the way he's doing it, but I think the end result will be the termination of all delta flying at Republic. The 145's will go to the desert and the 170's will have Death Stars on their tails. This will leave a hole for another delta connection carrier to fill (or hopefully mainline!!) but that is how I see this panning out. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by ThreeStripe
(Post 2022501)
Right. So to wrap up this whole ****ing match, Delta gets the planes if they want them and RAH pilots are SOL. Moving right along.
As much as you'd love that to be true, it's not accurate. Also, this isn't a pi**ing match, it's an actual discussion. Pretty tough to come by on apc these days. So kindly ****** off. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
I've come to the realization that it's not that Turbine doesn't understand what happens when you don't make the payments on your "owned" house or car. He just doesn't want to accept reality of what happens when you don't fulfill your contractual obligations, how much money you lose when you have equipment sitting around, and you aren't receiving payments on those which you are on the hook for elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
(Post 2022524)
I've come to the realization that it's not that Turbine doesn't understand what happens when you don't make the payments on your "owned" house or car. He just doesn't want to accept reality of what happens when you don't fulfill your contractual obligations, how much money you lose when you have equipment sitting around, and you aren't receiving payments on those which you are on the hook for elsewhere.
The planes are paid off, no payments to make. What is so hard to understand about that? They won't sit around, they'll be used in the United operation. What is so hard to understand about that? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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