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Old 02-02-2016 | 07:18 AM
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Wow, this is what the 121 world has come to now, complaining about having to actually call for a clearance. SMH
Old 02-02-2016 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by holle8e3
No, in my experience, thats not what makes the ACARS 'latch' to a flight number. Even if you follow your procedure, the ACARS will latch on the third leg flight number. If you're lucky enough to get an airplane all day, and do 4+ legs, you'll find after the third leg it will latch...

This could be true I honestly don't completely understand why it latches, but my IOE captain mentioned that typing it in causes it. Also haven't flown 3+ legs in one airplane, so I have never seen this.



Originally Posted by Aviator147
I think people need to focus more on leaving the flight deck in a presentable manner for the next crew, ie, don't leave the garbage bag behind full of your banana peels/tuna pouches open and still attached to the seat.
This is huge, had to deal with a coffee filled leaky trash bag left in the flight deck yesterday.



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And calling CD takes all of what, 60 seconds, one minute of probably the 15 mins we all sit there waiting for a CLR/Pax Count doing nothing anyway

Man I'm just lazy if I wanted to work I would have gone to...
Old 02-02-2016 | 08:55 AM
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Wow, this is what the 121 world has come to now, complaining about having to actually call for a clearance. SMH
That's kind of a cynical way to add to the conversation. The ACARS software is not right. It needs fixed. Why even have PDCs? What's the purpose? Using your argument of 'it's not so bad to call clearance' then all airlines should not use a digital PDC system. That would be a mess. Have you ever been number 14 on clearance delivery frequency waiting for your turn?

People aren't here complaining about how arduous it is to call for a clearance. Imagine if the FO could send, receive and print every time, most importantly when it ends up seconds within D-0? The FO could then have extra time (even if it's seconds) to help load the flight plan. Be positive, shave off seconds where ever possible, be part of the solution, not the problem. Even regardless of D-0. If you call for push 10 seconds sooner, maybe you won't have to wait for 3 into the alley, one of which is a tow-in. That then saves 6 minutes, which allows the return flight to actually make up some time. And get back to the schedule. And that means the gates are available... Ect ect ect.

Seconds count boys and girls. The sooner we use that mentality, the sooner we can start to win flying again.
Old 02-02-2016 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by holle8e3
That's kind of a cynical way to add to the conversation. The ACARS software is not right. It needs fixed. Why even have PDCs? What's the purpose? Using your argument of 'it's not so bad to call clearance' then all airlines should not use a digital PDC system. That would be a mess. Have you ever been number 14 on clearance delivery frequency waiting for your turn?

People aren't here complaining about how arduous it is to call for a clearance. Imagine if the FO could send, receive and print every time, most importantly when it ends up seconds within D-0? The FO could then have extra time (even if it's seconds) to help load the flight plan. Be positive, shave off seconds where ever possible, be part of the solution, not the problem. Even regardless of D-0. If you call for push 10 seconds sooner, maybe you won't have to wait for 3 into the alley, one of which is a tow-in. That then saves 6 minutes, which allows the return flight to actually make up some time. And get back to the schedule. And that means the gates are available... Ect ect ect.

Seconds count boys and girls. The sooner we use that mentality, the sooner we can start to win flying again.
Although I somewhat see you point here I don't completely agree with you. There are still other airlines calling for clearance, just like I did at my previous one, and I have never seen or heard of issues. If your a good FO, you will be calling for your clearance right at that 30min mark and even if your number 14 in line, you will still get it with plenty of time to get everything done. We all just get so spoiled with the PDCs, which are nice don't get me wrong, but come on guys....its not the end of the world to actually go above and beyond a few button pushes and now actually write our clearances every once and a while...just saying
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Oh boy. Some snow in the Midwest. Let's make sure scheduling freaks out over the 25 or so flights we do a day out of MSP.
Old 02-02-2016 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Calvert
Oh boy. Some snow in the Midwest. Let's make sure scheduling freaks out over the 25 or so flights we do a day out of MSP.
Really?????
Old 02-02-2016 | 01:59 PM
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Really?????

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Old 02-03-2016 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by holle8e3
That's kind of a cynical way to add to the conversation. The ACARS software is not right. It needs fixed. Why even have PDCs? What's the purpose? Using your argument of 'it's not so bad to call clearance' then all airlines should not use a digital PDC system. That would be a mess. Have you ever been number 14 on clearance delivery frequency waiting for your turn?

People aren't here complaining about how arduous it is to call for a clearance. Imagine if the FO could send, receive and print every time, most importantly when it ends up seconds within D-0? The FO could then have extra time (even if it's seconds) to help load the flight plan. Be positive, shave off seconds where ever possible, be part of the solution, not the problem. Even regardless of D-0. If you call for push 10 seconds sooner, maybe you won't have to wait for 3 into the alley, one of which is a tow-in. That then saves 6 minutes, which allows the return flight to actually make up some time. And get back to the schedule. And that means the gates are available... Ect ect ect.

Seconds count boys and girls. The sooner we use that mentality, the sooner we can start to win flying again.
Ya it's the lack of a PDC causing delays. You should be in management. I guess it's also cause we send more than 1 runway to Aerodata that it takes too long to come back. I agree it's broken and needs to be fixed. And its an annoying problem but this is a little exaggerated.
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Originally Posted by Calvert
Oh boy. Some snow in the Midwest. Let's make sure scheduling freaks out over the 25 or so flights we do a day out of MSP.
Couldn't agree more. Talked to them twice yesterday and got through immediately and the scheduler sounded bored. They like to make a big deal out of minor events.
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Originally Posted by holle8e3
That's kind of a cynical way to add to the conversation. The ACARS software is not right. It needs fixed. Why even have PDCs? What's the purpose? Using your argument of 'it's not so bad to call clearance' then all airlines should not use a digital PDC system. That would be a mess. Have you ever been number 14 on clearance delivery frequency waiting for your turn?

People aren't here complaining about how arduous it is to call for a clearance. Imagine if the FO could send, receive and print every time, most importantly when it ends up seconds within D-0? The FO could then have extra time (even if it's seconds) to help load the flight plan. Be positive, shave off seconds where ever possible, be part of the solution, not the problem. Even regardless of D-0. If you call for push 10 seconds sooner, maybe you won't have to wait for 3 into the alley, one of which is a tow-in. That then saves 6 minutes, which allows the return flight to actually make up some time. And get back to the schedule. And that means the gates are available... Ect ect ect.

Seconds count boys and girls. The sooner we use that mentality, the sooner we can start to win flying again.
I understand your point of something being broken, yes its annoying when the flight number sticks and you can't get a PDC. But if you are on a quick turn (which always seems to be the case in LAX), don't you think its quicker to call for a clearance rather than coordinate a ground reset with mx (which the QRH tells you to do)? The airplane will be powered down and back up eventually.

People writing up dumb ****** like that on a quick turn is what is slowing us down. I guarantee if you look hard enough in the airplane you can find one stupid thing to write up at any given time. If you are truly thinking about the big picture tell your FO that is whining about the stupid clearance or printer not printing to call clearance and write down the damn ATIS
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