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AlaskaBound 04-16-2015 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1863026)
Don't bother arguing with alaskawound. He's emotionally flawed and robbed of intelligence.

Emotionally flawed? That's a new one. You have no idea who I am. Talk about unintelligent and flawed logic on your part.

TeddyKGB 04-16-2015 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1862905)
DTW-MSP was already a lousy commute as Delta cut mainline out of MSP (and DTW) in favor of the "4 corner strategy" The MSP guys are now (with CVG) being forced to DTW who are being forced to NYC. As for Compass, they are heading to LAX. Endeavor has been sent to NYC. Delta is abandoning the center of the country slowly but surely... Either bid NYC, ATL, LAX, or SEA... otherwise work for someone else.

You got some bad intel Avroman. No one has been forced out of MSP for a long time now. It's the opposite as a bunch of very junior pilots have been bidding into MSP over the past year. There are 1st year pilots on probation who are holding good lines in MSP on the 7ER. Just about everyone who wants to be in MSP is back in MSP. I assume you are talking about mainline pilots since you mentioned CVG?

Chupacabras 04-16-2015 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe (Post 1859799)
Scheduled growth? You mean more like "hope for growth". I remember when they said 150 200s. Then it was 125, then 100. Now it's what 37? Wait until the SSP guys start getting classes and the net growth of pilots will go negative again just like the net loss of 500+ last year. They "planned" to hire 400 in 2014 and hired 30-40.....keep drinking the kook-aid!

Well that was last year, now, Delta has changed the game by making 9E the best paying regional in the industry (except for a few at top pay-16-18 year guys at other regionals). Thats why 9E is now filling classes.

TalkTurkey 04-16-2015 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1863208)
Emotionally flawed? That's a new one. You have no idea who I am. Talk about unintelligent and flawed logic on your part.

Bugger off you rancid, transplanted sea urchin.

BlueMoon 04-16-2015 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1862880)
You are as clueless as they come. DTW had a small handful of FOs that are or will be in upgrade class soon. The remaining DTW Captains have flown (no pun intended), or are flowing to Delta in the next few months. Therefore, NO ONE will be displaced to MSP. Even if one or two FOs decide not to go to upgrade class the impact is a non issue. You sir need to stop talking your butt. Thanks..:D

Really? I guess my displacement to MSP is all in my head.

WakeTurby 04-17-2015 09:24 AM

Has anybody (non-ATP type) shown up to class for either of these companies after being out of the cockpit for a while (i.e. - not inst current...no 6 approaches in the last 6 months kind of thing)? If so, do you knock out approaches in the sim in order to complete your ATP cert? Or?....

Ugly 04-17-2015 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by WakeTurby (Post 1863737)
Has anybody (non-ATP type) shown up to class for either of these companies after being out of the cockpit for a while (i.e. - not inst current...no 6 approaches in the last 6 months kind of thing)? If so, do you knock out approaches in the sim in order to complete your ATP cert? Or?....

I recently completed training after completing a leave of absence from Endeavor. I hadn't flown in years nor did I have my ATP. All qualifications are made current in the simulator.

BlueMoon 04-17-2015 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by WakeTurby (Post 1863737)
Has anybody (non-ATP type) shown up to class for either of these companies after being out of the cockpit for a while (i.e. - not inst current...no 6 approaches in the last 6 months kind of thing)? If so, do you knock out approaches in the sim in order to complete your ATP cert? Or?....

You'll do way more than 6 approaches during sim training. Also, for 121 flying all you need is 3 T/O and Landings in 90 days to stay current.

Avroman 04-17-2015 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by TeddyKGB (Post 1863240)
You got some bad intel Avroman. No one has been forced out of MSP for a long time now. It's the opposite as a bunch of very junior pilots have been bidding into MSP over the past year. There are 1st year pilots on probation who are holding good lines in MSP on the 7ER. Just about everyone who wants to be in MSP is back in MSP. I assume you are talking about mainline pilots since you mentioned CVG?

This was end of last summer, it may well have changed, though I confirmed the plan is unfortunately, CVG is closed as a base and a hub within the year. The question I have is, what will happen with DTW? A big chunk of C concourse is already mothballed, (and Delta asked the airport board to close ALL of B and C.. denied) The 747's have been returned to DTW to be phased out in favor of twin engine flights out of SEA. Delta is clearly focusing on a "four corner" strategy of LAX, SEA, ATL, and New York. Where does that leave MEM? Dead, CVG? Dead, DTW, MSP, SLC... not looking good. Time will tell.

80ktsClamp 04-17-2015 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1864032)
This was end of last summer, it may well have changed, though I confirmed the plan is unfortunately, CVG is closed as a base and a hub within the year. The question I have is, what will happen with DTW? A big chunk of C concourse is already mothballed, (and Delta asked the airport board to close ALL of B and C.. denied) The 747's have been returned to DTW to be phased out in favor of twin engine flights out of SEA. Delta is clearly focusing on a "four corner" strategy of LAX, SEA, ATL, and New York. Where does that leave MEM? Dead, CVG? Dead, DTW, MSP, SLC... not looking good. Time will tell.

That's a bit extreme. DTW, MSP, and SLC serve their place very well- particularly with DTW-asia. All that is happening with the whales is the A330 IGWs are replacing them. Sucks, but those are the economics.

I think we will continue to see DTW marginalized a tad more due to the economy there, however MSP and SLC are probably just about right and show no signs of shrinking.


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