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08-01-2017, 08:22 AM

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veewan

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They'll offer critical pay at 200% before they upgrade more. I think it's been said on this thread before, picking up open time at 100% means to the company that you're willing to give up off days at no premium.

If people stop picking up critical pay trips they'll have incentive to put more people in the left seat.

08-01-2017, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FlytheSky

I wasn't referring to the growth, just getting multiple critical pay emails each day. Of course, the simple way to solve that would be to upgrade more captains, which would lower upgrade times and boost morale. But what do I know?

You're correct, but you know what else would have boosted morale? Getting payroll correct and not violating the contract.

08-01-2017, 08:41 AM

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Maingear

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Originally Posted by Fpmx772

I think we will see two CAs filling the cockpit before we start CXing flights

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The only CAs that are right seat qualified are LCAs and I imagine that there's something in the contract that protects FOs from right seat CA flying except in extreme circumstances.

08-01-2017, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Maingear

The only CAs that are right seat qualified are LCAs and I imagine that there's something in the contract that protects FOs from right seat CA flying except in extreme circumstances.

Well your last couple of words in your statement would be why we would use two CAs in one cockpit. I don't think that would happen but I also wouldn't hold my breath about it not happening.

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08-01-2017, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Fpmx772

Well serves them right. The LAX CA Availability tomorrow consist of two ready rsv guys only. Should be good times

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And the critical emails just keep on coming. Good times indeed!

08-01-2017, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tailfloatski

So we're upgrading about 10 a month on average, and in 2015 and through some part of 2016 we've been hiring 30+ people a month. I just looked at the latest seniority list, and through the end of 2015 there are on average about 20 remaining FOs per month. So with each passing month at the current upgrade rate, people will be falling an additional month behind. If July 2015 hires could get 2 years and 2 months, December 2015 will be 2 y. 7 m., and so on into 2016. And that's not even counting the couple of dozen bypassing FOs senior to the most junior CA awarded. So unless something changes, summer 2016 hires are likely looking at 3+ years.

As many others have said, I really hope the company picks up upgrades. That being said, I'm afraid they won't until we actually start cancelling flights.

I disagree, I think we should also consider the senior FOs often move on as well. In addition, we know for a fact that the company can't sustain 10 upgrades a month for much longer, we know it will increase significantly. So why bother doing the math on those bad numbers out to a 3 year upgrade for new hires down the line?
Also sure can't help to have some pilot talent check in here and see "3+ year upgrade" printed here, especially when your company is trying to hire a ton