Compass Updates - Saga Continues
04-27-2016, 07:32 AM
#671
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: backseat
Posts: 103
In regards to ME mattering in modern airliners like the E175 where 99.99% of engine failures happen in the sim, I think most people will be alright - as long as they take the time to absorb and constantly learn.
here are few I saw with new FOs:
- briefs the DME Arc back-coarse perfectly, then turns wrong way when hitting the arc
-high and hot on final, doesn't know how to handle it
- gets clearance change, doesn't know how to enter it in the FMS
-you are ready to push, find out FO forgot to get a clearance
Not trying to pick on newbies, these are all things that come with experience. With all the low timers you guys seem to be hiring, hopefully your CAs remember they were there not to long ago and they are good mentors to the new hires. Trust me, your first day online at a major you will feel the same way no matter how much time you have.
04-27-2016, 08:33 AM
#673
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: die Pilotin
Posts: 286
Having more experience before coming to an airline isn't necessarily going to help learning how to program an FMS. Also the last point means the person in the left seat isn't following procedures.
04-27-2016, 09:39 AM
#674
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: Just another RJ guy
Posts: 906
A new hire who has 10,000 hours of B727 or DC9 part 135 time (yes there are some of those here) can really struggle to gasp the concept of the FMS and re-wire their brain to scan and properly use the glass cockpit concept. Someone so lost in their scan can easily put the airplane in an unwanted state (stall from base to final). Situational awareness goes away when they get caught up in what's happening inside the plane and loses track of what's happening outside.
04-27-2016, 09:57 AM
#675
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Posts: 806
Everyone who gets to the 1500 hours and is able to get an ATP with a type rating and pass training is equally qualified to fly the airplane just as anyone else who achieves the same thing. I am not quite sure what there is to prove in regards to ones own worth once you've gotten to that stage.
Experience comes with time, and everyone started somewhere. Compass is a regional, a starting point for a lot of people, it's not a major airline.....so instead of complaining so much about all these brand new FOs who don't know what they're doing, embrace them and help them out - you'd be surprised at what you may learn from them, both good and bad.
This "newbie trend" going from a Cessna to an E175 is only going to get more commonplace as the pool of previous 121 lateral movers dries up - and the reason why I put newbie trend in quotes, is because at least we're not like European airlines....putting 250 hour wonders into cockpits of 737s and A320s.
We have it GOOD in comparison.
Experience comes with time, and everyone started somewhere. Compass is a regional, a starting point for a lot of people, it's not a major airline.....so instead of complaining so much about all these brand new FOs who don't know what they're doing, embrace them and help them out - you'd be surprised at what you may learn from them, both good and bad.
This "newbie trend" going from a Cessna to an E175 is only going to get more commonplace as the pool of previous 121 lateral movers dries up - and the reason why I put newbie trend in quotes, is because at least we're not like European airlines....putting 250 hour wonders into cockpits of 737s and A320s.
We have it GOOD in comparison.
04-27-2016, 10:02 AM
#676
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 171
Hey man...I think the only disadvantage to coming in with the low ME time is the lack of understanding or knowledge behind single-engine aerodynamics in a multi-engine airplane, specifically the muscle memory an MEI acquires as he will feather either sides during training flights with students. I don't think 25 hours of ME gets you anywhere close to understanding what the airplane would do if it accidentally went below Vmc beyond rote memorization (most people get their ME in 7 hours).
So, I think the question is more about.....should Ameriflight hire someone with 25 hours of ME to go fly Beech 1900 or a Metroliner with substantially bigger props that'll give you a work out if you have an engine failure? (The answer is probably NOT, but Yes they still do).
In regards to ME mattering in modern airliners like the E175 where 99.99% of engine failures happen in the sim, I think most people will be alright - as long as they take the time to absorb and constantly learn.
Otherwise, the most "action" you see at Compass with multi-engine situations is when the CA pulls into the Eagle's nest after having asked the FO to shut down Number 2, and right before he's about to make that tight left turn into one of the gates with only Number 1 on, he goes "oh crap".
So, I think the question is more about.....should Ameriflight hire someone with 25 hours of ME to go fly Beech 1900 or a Metroliner with substantially bigger props that'll give you a work out if you have an engine failure? (The answer is probably NOT, but Yes they still do).
In regards to ME mattering in modern airliners like the E175 where 99.99% of engine failures happen in the sim, I think most people will be alright - as long as they take the time to absorb and constantly learn.
Otherwise, the most "action" you see at Compass with multi-engine situations is when the CA pulls into the Eagle's nest after having asked the FO to shut down Number 2, and right before he's about to make that tight left turn into one of the gates with only Number 1 on, he goes "oh crap".
04-27-2016, 10:07 AM
#677
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 171
I don't think engine failures are a problem, who do you know has actually had one outside the sim? It is the day to day stuff they don't teach in training.
here are few I saw with new FOs:
- briefs the DME Arc back-coarse perfectly, then turns wrong way when hitting the arc
-high and hot on final, doesn't know how to handle it
- gets clearance change, doesn't know how to enter it in the FMS
-you are ready to push, find out FO forgot to get a clearance
Not trying to pick on newbies, these are all things that come with experience. With all the low timers you guys seem to be hiring, hopefully your CAs remember they were there not to long ago and they are good mentors to the new hires. Trust me, your first day online at a major you will feel the same way no matter how much time you have.
here are few I saw with new FOs:
- briefs the DME Arc back-coarse perfectly, then turns wrong way when hitting the arc
-high and hot on final, doesn't know how to handle it
- gets clearance change, doesn't know how to enter it in the FMS
-you are ready to push, find out FO forgot to get a clearance
Not trying to pick on newbies, these are all things that come with experience. With all the low timers you guys seem to be hiring, hopefully your CAs remember they were there not to long ago and they are good mentors to the new hires. Trust me, your first day online at a major you will feel the same way no matter how much time you have.
And as a relatively new hire I've been quite impressed with the mentorship that Compass Captains have consistently provided. Let's hope my luck holds
04-27-2016, 01:06 PM
#678
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Joined APC: Apr 2010
Posts: 600
All excellent points, and again none of them are directly related to how much multi time somebody has. It's al about the quality of our training with respect to who comes in through the door. Perhaps the company should rework the training program to account for incoming single engine piston CFIs as opposed to 3000 hour pilots from other regionals as was the case a few years ago.
And as a relatively new hire I've been quite impressed with the mentorship that Compass Captains have consistently provided. Let's hope my luck holds
And as a relatively new hire I've been quite impressed with the mentorship that Compass Captains have consistently provided. Let's hope my luck holds
04-27-2016, 04:03 PM
#679
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 139
I don't think engine failures are a problem, who do you know has actually had one outside the sim? It is the day to day stuff they don't teach in training.
here are few I saw with new FOs:
- briefs the DME Arc back-coarse perfectly, then turns wrong way when hitting the arc
-high and hot on final, doesn't know how to handle it
- gets clearance change, doesn't know how to enter it in the FMS
-you are ready to push, find out FO forgot to get a clearance
Not trying to pick on newbies, these are all things that come with experience. With all the low timers you guys seem to be hiring, hopefully your CAs remember they were there not to long ago and they are good mentors to the new hires. Trust me, your first day online at a major you will feel the same way no matter how much time you have.
here are few I saw with new FOs:
- briefs the DME Arc back-coarse perfectly, then turns wrong way when hitting the arc
-high and hot on final, doesn't know how to handle it
- gets clearance change, doesn't know how to enter it in the FMS
-you are ready to push, find out FO forgot to get a clearance
Not trying to pick on newbies, these are all things that come with experience. With all the low timers you guys seem to be hiring, hopefully your CAs remember they were there not to long ago and they are good mentors to the new hires. Trust me, your first day online at a major you will feel the same way no matter how much time you have.
Last edited by SigHansen; 04-27-2016 at 04:32 PM.
04-27-2016, 04:34 PM
#680
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 37
I searched for a bit, but I figured I would go ahead and ask. Retiring from the military in Oct 2017 and getting ready to deploy prior to that, so I won't have much time after I get back to move my family around and job search for that matter. We want to live in base though. How long after training begins will someone know what base they are going to?
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