tomgoodman

Maybe it has to do with the FAA/controller labor disputes. Pilots who support the controllers check in: "Cessna 123, with you." Pilots who support the FAA say "Cessna 123, against you." This helps determine traffic sequencing.

Mach 84

>>>>mach 84 could you please let me have your check on statement so i can put it in my flight bag??? <<<<

fedupbusdriver is exactly right. Just say what you'd normally say but drop the utterly useless "..with you...". It isn't that hard.

If you are in the habit of saying "..with you..", think how truly redundant, dumb, and useless the phrase is everytime you say it. Try adding "..with you"..., "...here we go", and all the other goofy stuff some pilots in the U.S. garb up their readbacks with when flying oceanic, or in Europe or in Asia and even reading back zeros as "oh" and you'll be quizzed by the controller as to what you're talking about and announcing to the world you are relatively new to the industry.

The worst readback has to be "rolling" when given a "cleared for take-off" clearance.

mike734

"Fedex 1218, level 310"
That is all you need. No controller in the USA would have any difficulty with that.

palgia841

Wow. That makes you really cool. I wish I could only be as cool as you. Unfortunately I did not graduate from such a prestegious place as UND, and could not benefit from their superior flight training, especially in radiotelephony phraseology.


Mach 84 - I totally agree with you. It's really unfortunate that SO many pilots have terrible RT technique and don't use standard phraseology. The sad thing is many of them think it makes them cool to "personalize" their transmissions in some stupid way, when all they're doing is showing the controller what morons their are. Just today I heard this Flt Options guy who kept adding "you bet!" to EVERY SINGLE control instruction, despite the frequncy being very busy.
Why pilots can't stick to standard phraseology is beyond me. Its not like they're not used to following procedures. I doubt they would modify the 80-kt callout with some childish phrase like "Here we go! 80kt - lightspeed!". The guy/gal who you're flying with would immediately think you're a moron. Well, that's exactly the same thing that happens when you say things like "...on the fishfinder", the controller now thinks you're either unprofessional/untrained, or simply a sloppy pilot.
It doesn't take any extra effort to stick to standard phraseology, why not do it? I can guarantee you NOBODY on frequency thinks you're cool when you add stupid remarks.

palgia841

Why do we bother with all these stupid preflight checks and checklists? That is SO student pilotish... We're pros and know what we're doing.

Seriously, if you really have to ask why it's a smart idea to initiate all RT transmissions with the name of the radio station you are addressing, then you really have a lot of catching-up to do.


PS. FlyerJosh, I am starting to think your whole post was a joke/ironic. If so, please excuse my posts. I failed to see the irony, but I apologise anyways. If you're actually serious about that, then feel free to PM me and I'd be glad to explain to you why adding "Washington" instead of just "center" is a good idea.

mike734

Hey, that sounds cool. And I think, at Vr, I'll say, "We're going ballistic Mav!"

sigep_nm

I dont think flyerjosh went to UND

FlyerJosh

Ummm... just to clear things up. Yeah. Most posts were totally sarcastic. That said, I think that people that get all worked up over an extra word or two, need to go find a hobby. If something minor like saying "with you" or the name of the Center in your radio transmissions bugs you (which judging from the posts here it does), then I wonder what else drives you up the wall in a crew environment.

I once flew with a guy that got all worked up about "non-professional" radio calls and additions. He went so far as to tell me not to say "Good Morning" or "Hello" in radio transmissions. He also said to never say "Thanks" after being given a short cut or having a request approved since "it's ATC's job to accommodate us." IIRC, he even got worked up when you turned the radio knob the long way around (ie rotated through 120.0 when switching from 125.0 to 130.0) because it cause "unnecessary wear to the tuning unit."

See where I'm headed with this?

There are SOOOOO many other important things in life than getting worked up over a little thing like this (IMHO). That said, don't get on the radio and give a discertation either. However something like "with you" or saying the name of the center shouldn't get you all bent out of shape. Some folks might sound like idiots with "lightspeed" or "fishfinder", but I figure, who am I to correct them as long as they don't make a 20 second transmission and tie up the frequency.

I'll continue saying my hellos and good days. You guys can be all "professional" and brief in your transmission. You're perogative.

Like I said before, I think that there are plenty of other issues in this industry that are bigger priorities to get worked up about and spend energy on: User fees, bankrupt airlines, mergers, loss of pensions, continual slides in pilot pay for the worse, unionbusting, illegitimite airlines, airspace & ATC upgrades, security BS, congressional oversight of the FAA, education of the next generation pilots to prevent SJS, the list goes on and on and on...

FlyerJosh

Actually I did. But there were many mornings in January when I wished I was in DAB! That said, I would do it again in a heart beat.

-Class of 2000-

gradywhite

great word flyer josh. these people that are worried @ this stuff are your typical people who can t fly and multitask therefore they must do everything they can to offset their lack of skill