"..with you..."
11-30-2006, 03:18 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot
Just curious as to how many people say "tree" and "fife" instead of "three" and "five"??? I have only heard a handful of controllers, and even less pilots say it. It is suppose to be "tree" and "fife", but does anyone actually us it, inside the US???
11-30-2006, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by emuEAGLE
That's where the word "LEVEL" should be used. Not "with you"
“with you” has been around since before I started flying 30 years ago. Usually nothing endures that long unless it’s useful and serves a purpose. (redundancy intended, just to annoy you and Mach 84
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Originally Posted by emuEAGLE
That's where the word "LEVEL" should be used.
11-30-2006, 07:31 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by Mach 84
Why do you corporate guys always find it necessary to tell the controllers that you are "...with you..." when you check in on a frequency? The controllers know that by the very reason you are talking to them. It's redundant, a total waste of time, and sounds student pilotish.
probly for the same reason all you airline guys say "decimal" when asked for your mack number by ATC.
what a tool
12-01-2006, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by multipilot
The one that's been getting under my skin lately are pilots who start every transmission with "and".
On initial call up, "and somewhere tower cessna 12345 is outside the final approach fix inbound." "and approach blah blah blah". The altitude calls "4.0 for 8.0" annoy the crap out of me as well.
Call me an anal flight instructor if you want, but its just one of my pet peeves. I don't mind saying "so long" "good day" "good morning" etc. however.
By the way Dundem, thanks for mentioning the good book of AIM chapter 4.
On initial call up, "and somewhere tower cessna 12345 is outside the final approach fix inbound." "and approach blah blah blah". The altitude calls "4.0 for 8.0" annoy the crap out of me as well.
Call me an anal flight instructor if you want, but its just one of my pet peeves. I don't mind saying "so long" "good day" "good morning" etc. however.
By the way Dundem, thanks for mentioning the good book of AIM chapter 4.
You don't have to do it anymore because of improvements made.
12-01-2006, 07:18 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Shaun
I find myself saying nine instead of niner. I know it bothers others, but I am not going to kill myself trying to remember to correct it. I doubt people think that I am making a radio call for runway one NO.
If you (not you directly) make all the radio calls to the book, then you can complain about someone else for not doing so, but if you do not use proper radio procedure all the time than really complaing about someone else is just the pot calling the kettle black.
12-01-2006, 09:07 AM
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"Any traffic in the area please advise" and told me that if he heard me say it at any point, he'd fail me. The AIM brings this phrase up specifically and says not to use it.
12-01-2006, 09:35 AM
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The newest version of the AIM has that change.
4-1-9. Traffic Advisory Practices at Airports Without Operating Control Towers
g. Self-Announce Position and/or Intentions
1. General. Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF. This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition.
g. Self-Announce Position and/or Intentions
1. General. Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF. This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition.
Last edited by FlyerJosh; 12-01-2006 at 09:38 AM. Reason: Added AIM reference
12-01-2006, 11:15 AM
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Thanks, I have the 06 FAR/AIM, you must have the 07 one. I don't see what's wrong with this term, it is the fastest way to gain situational awareness upon entering the pattern, as otherwise you have to wait until the traffic makes their next call. And some pilots don't like making radio calls at all, I've had cases where I said "Any traffic in the area, please advise," and another plane in the pattern, after stating his position, also said that there was a third airplane on downwind who wasn't using his radio (or didn't have one). But, I digress. Thanks for the heads up, though.
12-01-2006, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by emuEAGLE
whats a Mack number?
But Mack is what you get when you post with a PDA that only has a phone pad
