"..with you..."
11-25-2006, 08:33 PM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 2,889
The correct call from a FDX 727 sounds like this...
"...FedEx 585 flight level 320 request....
" Kansas City center, go ahead with request..."
"...FedEx 585 Request direct Grand Forks..."
"...FedEx 585 cleared direct Grand Forks..."
Pause....pause...pause...
"Kansas City Center, FedEx 585....can we have a heading?"
True story--I flew my 1962 Rangemaster to work today--IFR GPS direct. At my jet job--I had to snivel a heading. Nothing like flying a 140 knots with a /G on the flightplan but flying a /A (actually /W) in the flight levels...
"...FedEx 585 flight level 320 request....
" Kansas City center, go ahead with request..."
"...FedEx 585 Request direct Grand Forks..."
"...FedEx 585 cleared direct Grand Forks..."
Pause....pause...pause...
"Kansas City Center, FedEx 585....can we have a heading?"
True story--I flew my 1962 Rangemaster to work today--IFR GPS direct. At my jet job--I had to snivel a heading. Nothing like flying a 140 knots with a /G on the flightplan but flying a /A (actually /W) in the flight levels...
11-25-2006, 08:49 PM
#34
Chief Jeppesen Updater
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Executive Transport Driver
Posts: 3,080
Albie,
Don't you know the trick of getting direct when you're flying a /A or /W aircraft? This was given to me by a NWA DC9 crew back in the days when I was commuting on them regularly:
While flying down the airway, put the aircraft into heading mode, and turn the heading 5 degrees to one side.
After 3-4 minutes ATC will call you asking where the heck you are going. Tell them, "we show right in the middle of the airway, sir." 9 out of 10 times, they'll give you a heading for direct some place down the road!
Don't you know the trick of getting direct when you're flying a /A or /W aircraft? This was given to me by a NWA DC9 crew back in the days when I was commuting on them regularly:
While flying down the airway, put the aircraft into heading mode, and turn the heading 5 degrees to one side.
After 3-4 minutes ATC will call you asking where the heck you are going. Tell them, "we show right in the middle of the airway, sir." 9 out of 10 times, they'll give you a heading for direct some place down the road!
11-28-2006, 06:56 AM
#35
Property of Scheduling
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Bus driver
Posts: 2,525
I never really thought about all of this stuff.. I will call back "pos and hold" when that is what I am cleared to do, I do try to get the correct center "memphis center..flagship XXXX" instead of calling memphis "atlanta", and occasionally I will say "with you" but only when its a freq swap with the same controller such as "Flagship 5700 change to my frequency 132.55" I will say something like "Flagship 5700 with you 132.55" or "Flagship 5700 on 132.55" otherwise its short and sweet, sometimes I will be "nice" if its not busy or an ungodly hour (like 6am) "Good morning memphis, Flagship 5700 out of 180 for 12 with Golf parking A11" and they will normally chat a bit- but I only do it if there if it is a real lul on the radio.
11-28-2006, 04:43 PM
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: L Side
Posts: 409
For those of you complaining about some of these calls, may I suggest reading the AIM section 4-2-3. A few quick points directly from the AIM:
1) On Initial Contact a)Name of facility being used b) Your full aircraft ID c) When operating on an airport surface state your position d)The type of message to follow or your request if it is short: and e) The word 'over' if required.
2)...Acknowledge with your aircraft ID, either at the beginning or at the end of your transmission, and one of the words 'Wilco', 'Roger', 'Affirmative', 'Negative' or other appropriate remarks.
These are just a few examples that I've seen griped about on this thread that ARE a part of the standard phraseology that we ARE supposed to use. If this thread was just about your specific pet peeves, then I apologise. If, as it seems to me, this thread was referring to being professional and using correct phraseology on the radio, then may I suggest that we all get re-acquainted with the AIM. I know that many of us (I really mean you) are long removed from flight training and have actually forgotten the basics, but please refresh yourselves.
If a controller greets me or I expect them to greet me with a 'good morning' or 'good afternoon' I WILL continue to demonstrate simple interpersonal courtesies by responding to or pre-empting their greeting.
Get back to me with further questions.
1) On Initial Contact a)Name of facility being used b) Your full aircraft ID c) When operating on an airport surface state your position d)The type of message to follow or your request if it is short: and e) The word 'over' if required.
2)...Acknowledge with your aircraft ID, either at the beginning or at the end of your transmission, and one of the words 'Wilco', 'Roger', 'Affirmative', 'Negative' or other appropriate remarks.
These are just a few examples that I've seen griped about on this thread that ARE a part of the standard phraseology that we ARE supposed to use. If this thread was just about your specific pet peeves, then I apologise. If, as it seems to me, this thread was referring to being professional and using correct phraseology on the radio, then may I suggest that we all get re-acquainted with the AIM. I know that many of us (I really mean you) are long removed from flight training and have actually forgotten the basics, but please refresh yourselves.
If a controller greets me or I expect them to greet me with a 'good morning' or 'good afternoon' I WILL continue to demonstrate simple interpersonal courtesies by responding to or pre-empting their greeting.
Get back to me with further questions.
11-29-2006, 09:11 PM
#37
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 778
The one that's been getting under my skin lately are pilots who start every transmission with "and".
On initial call up, "and somewhere tower cessna 12345 is outside the final approach fix inbound." "and approach blah blah blah". The altitude calls "4.0 for 8.0" annoy the crap out of me as well.
Call me an anal flight instructor if you want, but its just one of my pet peeves. I don't mind saying "so long" "good day" "good morning" etc. however.
By the way Dundem, thanks for mentioning the good book of AIM chapter 4.
On initial call up, "and somewhere tower cessna 12345 is outside the final approach fix inbound." "and approach blah blah blah". The altitude calls "4.0 for 8.0" annoy the crap out of me as well.
Call me an anal flight instructor if you want, but its just one of my pet peeves. I don't mind saying "so long" "good day" "good morning" etc. however.
By the way Dundem, thanks for mentioning the good book of AIM chapter 4.
Last edited by multipilot; 11-29-2006 at 09:19 PM. Reason: spelling
11-30-2006, 04:26 AM
#38
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: 777 Capt
Posts: 131
Originally Posted by Mach 84
the absolute absurdity and stupidity of saying "....with you". As a reminder and in case you don't realize it, the controllers know that you are "with them" by the mere fact that you are talking to them so why be an idiot and even bother saying it?
Get over it, smartboy. "with you" can actually serve a purpose.
It works nicely as a separater between your flight number and altitude. Sure, "flight level" will separate the flight number from the altitude,
i.e., "Abex four forty flight level three eight zero"
but "with you" is shorter, and somehow easier to get out quickly.
How about this.... "Abex four forty one seven thousand"
Was that ABX 441 at 7000? or ABX 440 at 17000?
Stick a "with you" in there and there's no confusion.
