Lockdown Proponents Are Science Deniers
05-26-2020, 10:20 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
You apparently haven’t noticed a handful of Governors repeatedly (and frequently, illegally) extending their lockdown executive orders. You apparently haven’t noticed several self-proclaimed experts saying we HAVE to remain locked down until a vaccine (which may never come) is approved.
https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/...for-12-18-mos/
There is a virus sweeping this country. It is called FEAR.
https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/...for-12-18-mos/
There is a virus sweeping this country. It is called FEAR.
05-26-2020, 10:24 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by DavidSpeaks
Extending a lockdown does not mean endless lockdown. Either you are intentionally being misleading with your words or you don't know what endless means. I have yet to see anybody claim we should just be locked down from here on out.
05-26-2020, 10:37 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by DavidSpeaks
Extending a lockdown does not mean endless lockdown. Either you are intentionally being misleading with your words or you don't know what endless means. I have yet to see anybody claim we should just be locked down from here on out.
Which means what? Any old vaccine coming out? A vaccine with 10 percent effectiveness? 99 percent ? What if the virus mutates...then what about the vaccine? Will unemplyment go on forever too? I know some self employed people out of work who also dont qualify for unemployment. What about them?
But I guess I dont give a rats patootie.
https://alphanewsmn.com/governor-walz-restrictions-vaccine/
05-26-2020, 10:55 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by DavidSpeaks
Extending a lockdown does not mean endless lockdown. Either you are intentionally being misleading with your words or you don't know what endless means. I have yet to see anybody claim we should just be locked down from here on out.
That's actually my HUUUUGE issue with how all of this has played out. First it was flatten the curve for a few weeks, OK we don't know much about this yet so maybe that's conservative.
But then it turned into open-ended suspension of normal liberty... governors basically saying sit down, shut up, and lock down with no timeline and no objective standards for release. No plan, just compliance.
That leads me to believe that they have utterly no idea what to do, and are afraid to be the leaders they were elected to be and make tough calls, at risk of getting second guessed by technical experts in the medical field (who have little stake, and zero expertise, in the economy). What's the standard? No deaths? No infections? The societal catastrophe resulting from extended house arrest will create havoc, misery and death that will make COVID look like a head cold.
Or I'm even starting to wonder if they have an ulterior motive with the economy? The lack of communication and objective standards is alarming. Maybe they don't want goals and milestones because if they are met too soon they might miss their big opportunity?
05-26-2020, 10:59 AM
#35
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Just to put into perspective how ridiculous these studies are getting...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Covid-19.html
Hey maybe its true and I am the fool, but whats next? "study finds that people born on a Thursday during a leap year are less likely to suffer complications" ? Everyone seems to want in on the COVID show for their 30 second of media attention and the media are the ones lapping it up to sell to a terrified public.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Covid-19.html
Hey maybe its true and I am the fool, but whats next? "study finds that people born on a Thursday during a leap year are less likely to suffer complications" ? Everyone seems to want in on the COVID show for their 30 second of media attention and the media are the ones lapping it up to sell to a terrified public.
05-26-2020, 11:17 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by block30
There was a time when Dr Fauci hinself stated the criteria was no new cases, and now governors are saying not until there is a vaccine, like Gov Walz in MN.
Which means what? Any old vaccine coming out? A vaccine with 10 percent effectiveness? 99 percent ? What if the virus mutates...then what about the vaccine? Will unemplyment go on forever too? I know some self employed people out of work who also dont qualify for unemployment. What about them?
But I guess I dont give a rats patootie.
https://alphanewsmn.com/governor-wal...tions-vaccine/
Which means what? Any old vaccine coming out? A vaccine with 10 percent effectiveness? 99 percent ? What if the virus mutates...then what about the vaccine? Will unemplyment go on forever too? I know some self employed people out of work who also dont qualify for unemployment. What about them?
But I guess I dont give a rats patootie.
https://alphanewsmn.com/governor-wal...tions-vaccine/
If Trump said "We will open up once hot dogs go on sale for $1.99 for an 8 pack" and then the OP wrote "According to Trump we will be under an ENDLESS LOCKDOWN" it doesn't seem genuine. It seems like he is intentionally twisting words and definition around to be a clickbait troller and it doesn't make this forum an enjoyable place to be. Writing words in all caps for NO REASON doesn't make you a more CREDIBLE poster or have more ACCURATE information.
05-26-2020, 11:20 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's actually my HUUUUGE issue with how all of this has played out. First it was flatten the curve for a few weeks, OK we don't know much about this yet so maybe that's conservative.
But then it turned into open-ended suspension of normal liberty... governors basically saying sit down, shut up, and lock down with no timeline and no objective standards for release. No plan, just compliance.
That leads me to believe that they have utterly no idea what to do, and are afraid to be the leaders they were elected to be and make tough calls, at risk of getting second guessed by technical experts in the medical field (who have little stake, and zero expertise, in the economy). What's the standard? No deaths? No infections? The societal catastrophe resulting from extended house arrest will create havoc, misery and death that will make COVID look like a head cold.
Or I'm even starting to wonder if they have an ulterior motive with the economy? The lack of communication and objective standards is alarming. Maybe they don't want goals and milestones because if they are met too soon they might miss their big opportunity?
But then it turned into open-ended suspension of normal liberty... governors basically saying sit down, shut up, and lock down with no timeline and no objective standards for release. No plan, just compliance.
That leads me to believe that they have utterly no idea what to do, and are afraid to be the leaders they were elected to be and make tough calls, at risk of getting second guessed by technical experts in the medical field (who have little stake, and zero expertise, in the economy). What's the standard? No deaths? No infections? The societal catastrophe resulting from extended house arrest will create havoc, misery and death that will make COVID look like a head cold.
Or I'm even starting to wonder if they have an ulterior motive with the economy? The lack of communication and objective standards is alarming. Maybe they don't want goals and milestones because if they are met too soon they might miss their big opportunity?
You're not supposed to ask questions, in the land of where V for Vendetta found himself in.
05-26-2020, 11:26 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That leads me to believe that they have utterly no idea what to do, and are afraid to be the leaders they were elected to be and make tough calls, at risk of getting second guessed by technical experts in the medical field (who have little stake, and zero expertise, in the economy).
05-26-2020, 11:29 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by DavidSpeaks
But still not an endless lockdown. That would imply being locked down for forever in those places. Nobody is asking for that or pitching for that. Nobody here on this forum has pitched having the US be locked down from now on for good. The OP is BEING a BAD egg WITH his ENDLESS exaggerations. Not saying you are, as you have be more intelligent in your approach and make valid points.
If Trump said "We will open up once hot dogs go on sale for $1.99 for an 8 pack" and then the OP wrote "According to Trump we will be under an ENDLESS LOCKDOWN" it doesn't seem genuine. It seems like he is intentionally twisting words and definition around to be a clickbait troller and it doesn't make this forum an enjoyable place to be. Writing words in all caps for NO REASON doesn't make you a more CREDIBLE poster or have more ACCURATE information.
If Trump said "We will open up once hot dogs go on sale for $1.99 for an 8 pack" and then the OP wrote "According to Trump we will be under an ENDLESS LOCKDOWN" it doesn't seem genuine. It seems like he is intentionally twisting words and definition around to be a clickbait troller and it doesn't make this forum an enjoyable place to be. Writing words in all caps for NO REASON doesn't make you a more CREDIBLE poster or have more ACCURATE information.
Second question, since you know better than me. What is the actual criteria states are using to determine when to reopen? Certainly they've had time to sort that out by now.
05-26-2020, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidSpeaks
But still not an endless lockdown. That would imply being locked down for forever in those places. Nobody is asking for that or pitching for that. Nobody here on this forum has pitched having the US be locked down from now on for good. The OP is BEING a BAD egg WITH his ENDLESS exaggerations. Not saying you are, as you have be more intelligent in your approach and make valid points.
If Trump said "We will open up once hot dogs go on sale for $1.99 for an 8 pack" and then the OP wrote "According to Trump we will be under an ENDLESS LOCKDOWN" it doesn't seem genuine. It seems like he is intentionally twisting words and definition around to be a clickbait troller and it doesn't make this forum an enjoyable place to be. Writing words in all caps for NO REASON doesn't make you a more CREDIBLE poster or have more ACCURATE information.
If Trump said "We will open up once hot dogs go on sale for $1.99 for an 8 pack" and then the OP wrote "According to Trump we will be under an ENDLESS LOCKDOWN" it doesn't seem genuine. It seems like he is intentionally twisting words and definition around to be a clickbait troller and it doesn't make this forum an enjoyable place to be. Writing words in all caps for NO REASON doesn't make you a more CREDIBLE poster or have more ACCURATE information.
And admittedly I got mad in the Delta subforum when someone said "the WHOLE world" went into lock down, which is clearly not the case. People need to say it right.
Or what whistle pig said. My god the fallacies!
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