Originally Posted by rickair7777

If there's no vaccine/treatment (hypothetical not realistic) then the economy is going to hurt real bad for a long time, and who knows how long international travel will suffer.

Originally Posted by contrails12

temporary facilities were setup for non covid patients, because the hospitals were filled with COVID. This is why recovering covid were sent to nursing homes. Trying to free up bed space in hospitals

The morticians were plenty busy

why do we put on reserve fuel. We never burn it??

Originally Posted by Desdi

Mass protests could work too. Funny how most of these states with spikes have been open since early May, but only now cases are spiking in young folks about 2-3 weeks after the majority of the protests, but that doesn’t fit with your worldview I bet, so it must just be a coincidence. In answer to your question 320 million x 70% x .2%.....448,000 should do it, so approx a 16% increase in the normal number of deaths in a year (2,800,000).

Originally Posted by Flyfalcons

And they never saw a single patient.......

Originally Posted by contrails12

I agree that protests are not a good idea. But at least they are outside, many of the people we’re wearing masks.

another wrinkle is that the protests were by in largely organized by private individuals. Where as a MAGA rally is inside, people are ostracized if they wear a mask, and it’s organized on behalf of the office holder of the most prominent public position

Originally Posted by contrails12

I agree that protests are not a good idea. But at least they are outside, many of the people we’re wearing masks.

another wrinkle is that the protests were by in largely organized by private individuals. Where as a MAGA rally is inside, people are ostracized if they wear a mask, and it’s organized on behalf of the office holder of the most prominent public position

Originally Posted by Flyfalcons

And they never saw a single patient.......

Originally Posted by Excargodog

The question is, what is YOUR Plan B? Because you obviously haven’t even started to TRY to refute the premise in the opening statement, that there is no certainty an effective immunization will EVER be developed, and even if one should be developed, that is unlikely to happen quickly and mass immunization programs - even before the rise of the antivax movement, still took decades to accomplish in even a single country and closer to a century worldwide.

That is the point of this whole thread. How long are YOU going to advocate a lockdown, waiting hopefully for an immunization that may be decades off if it ever comes at all. You may believe herd immunity to be a ‘pipe dream’ but it’s always worked before, or else none of us would be here because this is scarcely the first pandemic in history. But an immunization being developed in time to STOP a pandemic? That would be a first. I’m not saying that’s impossible but it seems really improbable based upon the historical record. So how long do you hold true to your theory of lockdown until we get a vaccine, if months and years pass and we DON’T get that vaccine? At what point do you abandon your ‘pipe dream’ that there will be a vaccine ready soon or that even if there was it could be distributed quickly and universally? Because the ‘pipe dream’ of herd immunity is an historical fact. The ‘pipe dream’ of a vaccine terminating a worldwide pandemic has yet to be seen.

Originally Posted by contrails12

Ex cargo dog,

On the road to herd immunity, what’s the likely number of COVID deaths?

and what would be the most rapid way to spread the infection to get there? I would guess going mask-less to an indoor rally would work?

Originally Posted by Knobcrk1

You still haven’t answered our question. How do you intend to work on your herd immunity when in just 2 weeks of actual openings and riots the cases have exploded and hospitals are starting to get overwhelmed. What level of mass deaths is acceptable to you? That’s why I’m saying it’s a pipe dream. It’s almost like you guys don’t know what’s going on out there, turn on the TV. This isn’t the flu. Also for the hundredth time, I don’t care about the vaccine, I’ve told you over and over the most reasonable way to end this is what the officials are trying to do is to choke off the virus by wearing masks and social distancing. Now that the cats out of the bag and these measures are not being followed it will take a lot longer than it would have had we been responsible with the openings. You guys are destroying the economy by helping the prolonging. Other countries have stopped the infection rates.