Originally Posted by Rahlifer

As far as why normal people find trump repugnant, it’s not a crushing desire to bring about communism, he’s just not a nice person. He plays up to the worst parts of human psychology. The anger, hatred, selfishness, the need to blame “those people”, etc.

Originally Posted by Speed Select

The disconnect seems to be that you don’t understand that EVERYONE takes a risk of getting CV by leaving their front porch. If the second person doesn’t want to risk getting sick, then they should elevate their mitigation measures. You are correct that it’s “not bad luck that the second guy got it.” It’s calculated risk.

Life is inherently risky. The real debate is, who responsible for your personal safety and well-being, you as an individual or collective society?

The collective will protect you as long as it’s expedient to do so. Individual reliance tends to be more... reliable, but often lacks desired resources.

Really, that sums up everything in this country. People hate Trump and call him various manifestations of Cheetos because he’s a proponent of the individual.Hollywood, social media, professional sports, bureaucracies, etc promote the collective, which offers safety in numbers and has an effect on mass psyche. However, in the opinion of approximately 73 million Americans, collectivism has crept into aspects of our lives way beyond what the framers intended, and has become a fear-fueled vehicle to wealth and power for many politicians (“if you don’t vote for me, Paul Ryan is going to roll Grandma off a cliff”).

As with everything in nature, there will be winners and losers.

Originally Posted by Knobcrk1

Oh ok, is it about Trump and the democrats or actually doing/caring about what’s right in a pandemic?

Are you saying the first guys disregard and individual choice to be ok with infecting others is just a “risk” the second guy should accept for leaving the house? It doesn’t work like that, in a pandemic. Only way to get through this is with collective will.

Originally Posted by GateAgent007

Every post you make always circles back to defending Trump. It must be reflexive at this point. Cultists gotta cult.

Oh and by the way, 82 million Americans are looking for a more 'hands-on' approach to COVID.

Originally Posted by Speed Select

Individualism vs collectivism is a spectrum. Where we [should] civilly exist on that spectrum is the debate.

As far as your above quote, the only difference between Trump and every other politician is that unlike every other politician, Trump dares to be an ********* in public while the real politicians have spent their whole life hiding that aspect of their personality from their constituency.

”Those people?” I’m not familiar with that term. Is that a dog whistle for something?

Originally Posted by Speed Select

Well, Biden is a very “hands-on” guy. There’s lots of documentation of that in the media.

Originally Posted by Speed Select

Your tone makes me feel unsafe.

Lightning round: (1) are you obligated to modify your tone and content, or (2) should I stop visiting the forums if the banter is emotionally distressing?

Go.

Originally Posted by GateAgent007

Well played.



Edit: You made the joke. You added the picture later. Which is basically like going "GET IT??" after telling a joke. I rescind my slow clap.

Originally Posted by Knobcrk1

It’s a pandemic, if you don’t see that clearly we need to rely on each other then good luck to you.

Originally Posted by Knobcrk1

You’re obviously confused by politics and see what you want to see. Nobody is treading on your rights. People were against speed limits too once upon a time, they found them infringing on their rights to drive as fast as they wanted. It’s a pandemic, if you don’t see that clearly we need to rely more on each other, at least all be on the same page, then good luck to you.