Excargodog

Easy enough to block my postings if you don’t care to read them. Won’t bother me a bit.

Gordie H

Sure some countries have questionable stats. But it's pretty clear-cut, we failed. I think you'd agree these countries have reliable stats?....South Korea, Germany, Australia....and apparently they all did it right. Taiwan has done the best with six deaths total.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

AntiPeter

I don’t think America failed. Considering a lot of our urban population is dense and in poor health our numbers aren’t that bad. I do think the mass hysteria that continues to this day has caused massive irreversible damage for mainly no good reason or improvement in outcome.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-ge...del/a-55857791

Germany has gone up to 20,000 cases per day with over 400 deaths per day.

Not sure what doing it right means? The countries that have locked down the hardest have had higher deaths than normal due to non COVID causes, like lack of cancer testing and treatment, cardiac patients failure to get acute emergency care, increased drug OD and suicide, etc.

The idea that humans can control a virus that effects the unhealthy seems like a lot more hubris than is rational. Wouldn’t it just be easier to strongly encourage people to lose weight? Ahh heck, what’s another 15% jump in our suicide rate.

Finland has had the lowest per capita cases numbers and deaths in Europe to date I do believe.

Not sure the Asian nations are a good comparison and there may be more cross immunity from other Corona viruses, and island nations are obviously able to do significantly more than countries associated with land borders.

GateAgent007

A virus has no will. It has no intent to spread. If a virus is out of control then it is completely due human interaction. It isn't hubris to accept responsibility. Your fatalism is negligence, though.

One thing is clear, there is no depth of equivocation that you won't go to diminish the impact of COVID-19.

Gordie H

When I say “we” failed…what I really mean is our government. Specifically our CDC, FDA and the White house/Task Force.

When everything was falling apart last Feb/March we saw the two different examples of how it could unfold….Italy and South Korea. It seems Korea (and the other top countries) keys to success have been aggressive testing / tracing / quarantine. Basically strangling the virus before it gets a foothold. Only governments can do this. Getting buy-in for public health measures probably helps too.

You’re right, I didn’t realize Germany was getting hit hard now…but even with that they still have a long way to fall before reaching our crappy stats (87 versus 27 deaths/100K pop)

Nantonaku

Japan didn't do any of this. They did very little testing, they remained opened the whole time and even their tracing was lackluster.

Mesabah

South Korea's cases are on the rise, D614G will get everyone actually.

BoilerUP

Point of order:

A virus' SOLE intent is to spread.

If it doesn't, either its host's immune system will kill the virus or the virus will kill the host.

APCHCLIMB

”We” failed because of how many people in this country are a bunch of fat B@astards. You could’ve had the best strategy in the world. Too many people are way too unhealthy.

Next time someone lectures you about their right to socialized healthcare, ask them if they have a responsibility to be healthy.

See how that convo goes.

CX500T

Yep.. obesity plus CV is bad. Diabetic even worse.

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