150,000 Americans Dead
12-01-2020, 08:41 AM
#581
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Originally Posted by jacinth
“Anyone can test positive for practically anything with a PCR test, if you run it long enough... with PCR if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody... it doesn’t tell you that you are sick.” Dr. Katy Mullins P.H.D. Creator of the PCR test.
Until we lower the cycle threshold our numbers mean nothing. Even Fauci admitted anything over 25 was meaningless yet here we are with CT’s of 40 plus. In one labs instance as high as 47 here in the US. On top of this we changed in January how we code deaths for Covid. All it requires is a positive PCR and it’s covid. We have no excess deaths right now and haven’t for months. When we did it was largely the result of lockdowns. We are testing healthy people that should Not be tested at all. Traditionally we use a PCR test with someone who has symptoms to determine what they most likely are dealing with. According to the CDC 58,000 of these covid deaths have heart attack or heart failure listed. Everything we are seeing today is the biggest pile of junk science in history. Given the prevalence of false positives with ct rates this high our actual death count is likely under 50,000.
Until we lower the cycle threshold our numbers mean nothing. Even Fauci admitted anything over 25 was meaningless yet here we are with CT’s of 40 plus. In one labs instance as high as 47 here in the US. On top of this we changed in January how we code deaths for Covid. All it requires is a positive PCR and it’s covid. We have no excess deaths right now and haven’t for months. When we did it was largely the result of lockdowns. We are testing healthy people that should Not be tested at all. Traditionally we use a PCR test with someone who has symptoms to determine what they most likely are dealing with. According to the CDC 58,000 of these covid deaths have heart attack or heart failure listed. Everything we are seeing today is the biggest pile of junk science in history. Given the prevalence of false positives with ct rates this high our actual death count is likely under 50,000.
12-01-2020, 05:13 PM
#582
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Fewer cardio complications than feared...
Data reveal only modest cardiovascular complications
The first results of analyses done on the covid registry maintained by the American Heart Association delivers this good news: Hospitalized covid patients are having fewer cardiovascular complications than researchers expected to find. However, the results also underscore the high risk among minorities and patients who are obese. The database includes information on more than 22,000 patients, with data supplied by more than 100 hospitals and academic centers. What the analyses found: Eight percent of hospitalized covid patients had a composite rate of CV death, stroke, MI, heart failure and shock, with atrial fibrillation being reported in 8% as well. Less than 4% had DVT, PE or MI, while fewer than 2% of patients had stroke or new heart failure. Meanwhile, myocarditis was found in 0.3%. However, 43% of hospitalized covid patients were obese, a differential seen especially in patients age 50 and under. While African-Americans make up just over 10% of the population, they represented 26% of cases and 24% of deaths. Hispanics, who make up only 9% of the census, accounted for 33% of cases and 29% of deaths. The AHA is inviting researchers to submit research proposals to use the nationwide covid dataset. The deadline for proposals is Wednesday, Dec. 2.that’s SOME good news anyway...
12-06-2020, 09:46 PM
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One of the best thought out discussions on mandated restrictions I have read:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sk...cid=uxbndlbing
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sk...cid=uxbndlbing
12-06-2020, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
One of the best thought out discussions on mandated restrictions I have read:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sk...cid=uxbndlbing
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sk...cid=uxbndlbing
12-06-2020, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
One of the best thought out discussions on mandated restrictions I have read:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sk...cid=uxbndlbing
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sk...cid=uxbndlbing
Her main complaint is that the rules have changed over the last 9 months. She's wrong. I want policies to evolve with the science. If they've determined that 95% of COVID cases present symptoms within 5 days, and as a result knocked the quarantine down to 7 from 14... that's a good thing.
Only the conceptually brain dead will mistake evolution for inconsistency.
She wants the CDC to prioritize what rules are most important and discard those that aren't. They have. Face mask usage is by far the loudest drum they bang -- repeatedly. You'd have to be blind not to notice.
This author is looking for holes to poke. Especially as cases and deaths spool up to unprecedented levels, her complaints seem small and self-absorbed.
12-07-2020, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GateAgent007
Honestly, this isn't a good article. It's a 1000 word b*tch fest about how there are one-way aisles in the grocery store.
Her main complaint is that the rules have changed over the last 9 months. She's wrong. I want policies to evolve with the science. If they've determined that 95% of COVID cases present symptoms within 5 days, and as a result knocked the quarantine down to 7 from 14... that's a good thing.
Only the conceptually brain dead will mistake evolution for inconsistency.
She wants the CDC to prioritize what rules are most important and discard those that aren't. They have. Face mask usage is by far the loudest drum they bang -- repeatedly. You'd have to be blind not to notice.
This author is looking for holes to poke. Especially as cases and deaths spool up to unprecedented levels, her complaints seem small and self-absorbed.
Her main complaint is that the rules have changed over the last 9 months. She's wrong. I want policies to evolve with the science. If they've determined that 95% of COVID cases present symptoms within 5 days, and as a result knocked the quarantine down to 7 from 14... that's a good thing.
Only the conceptually brain dead will mistake evolution for inconsistency.
She wants the CDC to prioritize what rules are most important and discard those that aren't. They have. Face mask usage is by far the loudest drum they bang -- repeatedly. You'd have to be blind not to notice.
This author is looking for holes to poke. Especially as cases and deaths spool up to unprecedented levels, her complaints seem small and self-absorbed.
it’s military leadership 101. Never give an order that you lack either the will or the ability to enforce. Many governors did both, with only the flimsiest of justification and oftentimes without even following their own rules. They’ve now lost so much credibility that people no longer even comply with the things that do make sense. Example:
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12-07-2020, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
I disagree. Government officials overstepping their bounds and mandating things that were not backed up by science have greatly undercut their own credibility.
it’s military leadership 101. Never give an order that you lack either the will or the ability to enforce. Many governors did both, with only the flimsiest of justification and oftentimes without even following their own rules. They’ve now lost so much credibility that people no longer even comply with the things that do make sense.
it’s military leadership 101. Never give an order that you lack either the will or the ability to enforce. Many governors did both, with only the flimsiest of justification and oftentimes without even following their own rules. They’ve now lost so much credibility that people no longer even comply with the things that do make sense.
The fact is that we're losing 2,000+ a day for the next 60 days and COVID is the leading cause of death in America. Rome is burning. Sorry grocery stores have one-way aisles. You'll have to suck it up.
12-07-2020, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GateAgent007
We've had mixed signals from day 1. Our Insubordinate-in-Chief has been undermining mitigation from the start, and it's had tragic consequences. Whether you personally feel like they've overreached isn't science, either.
The fact is that we're losing 2,000+ a day for the next 60 days and COVID is the leading cause of death in America. Rome is burning. Sorry grocery stores have one-way aisles. You'll have to suck it up.
The fact is that we're losing 2,000+ a day for the next 60 days and COVID is the leading cause of death in America. Rome is burning. Sorry grocery stores have one-way aisles. You'll have to suck it up.
Approximately 2,400 Americans die from cardiovascular disease, each day, every year. 1,600 die from cancer, each day, every year. In comparison COVID is much less significant.
At all age groups, even the elderly, it is much more likely to die of something else than COVID. Under approximately age 50 the risk of death from COVID is almost non-existent.
Last edited by AntiPeter; 01-12-2021 at 07:42 AM.
12-07-2020, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
This is not correct.
Approximately 2,400 Americans die from cardiovascular disease, each day, every year. 1,600 die from cancer, each day, every year. In comparison COVID is much less significant.
At all age groups, even the elderly, it is much more likely to die of something else than COVID. Under approximately age 50 the risk of death from COVID is almost non-existent.
Approximately 2,400 Americans die from cardiovascular disease, each day, every year. 1,600 die from cancer, each day, every year. In comparison COVID is much less significant.
At all age groups, even the elderly, it is much more likely to die of something else than COVID. Under approximately age 50 the risk of death from COVID is almost non-existent.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...searchers-say/
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