KSUto64

Exactly! Not only that but they’ve had 6 months to figure out how to open up state agencies in order to process new IDs. Where I’m at I had to get a license transfer to a new state, I wore my mask and signed in on the sign in sheet then sat in my car until they called. Then I walked in and got my new license. Not that hard and minimal contact with other people.

BoilerUP

It is difficult for Democrats to proclaim to be pro-labor when tens of thousands of largely-union jobs are going to be lost, weeks before a national election, because they refuse to act on a narrow bill covering common ground instead of a sweeping grand bargain.

Trump saying "I'll sign a bill for airline support today!" then Pelosi saying "That's not gonna happen" gives the GOP ad fodder over the next few weeks. How many opinions get swayed by those ads remains to be seen.

The debate if we should spend many more billions on airline stimulus GRANTS (most TARP funds were loans...) is worth having, but the lack of action by politicians on both sides when there is largely policy agreement is extremely disappointing.

atooraya

21 million citizens don't according to the Brennan Center.
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-vo...ion-fact-sheet

According to ANES, of 4721 respondents, 3.3% do not have ID.
https://electionstudies.org/


https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02...ment-photo-id/


Here's an NPR interview discussing it:
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/14620...-government-id



Also adding a study in Indiana from 2007 that showed 13% of registered voters did not have an ID:
http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/d...iana_voter.pdf

Seneca Pilot

How many of those citizens have shown a desire to vote but cannot get an ID?
How many of those citizens are not qualified to vote due to mental or developmental issues?
Many states allow alternate methods beyond photo ID. Who doesn't have a social security card that is a citizen? Who cannot sign an oath of identity?

Raw numbers don't tell the whole story.

atooraya

Are we playing 20 questions now? Your first question insinuated that any person with a real job and a real car should have an ID. I gave you numbers of how many people actually don't, and studies that show why people don't have government issued IDs. Your response was to ask more questions.

The House bill that was passed said in lieu of government ID, a sworn affidavit could be used for voter identification. There are many elderly people who don't have those forms. I personally know of people who immigrated to the US in the 70s that don't have many of their forms, but are US citizens. They have a social security card (Uncle Sam always collects) but do not have drivers licensees. They don't want to go through the hassle of going to the DMV to prove their citizenship to vote, and then after proving it, pay the fees associated with it.

Seneca Pilot

Yes, we are playing twenty questions.

How many states only let you vote with a driver's license and no other form of photo ID?
How many states even require photo ID?
If they don't want to pay ten dollars (the fee in my state, I know it may differ in others) to get a photo ID do they really want to vote all that badly?
Many states just ask you to sign an affidavit of identity. Do they just not want to sign their name?
Many states just ask to see your social security card. Do they just not want to go to the trouble to take it out?

Maybe this isn't the problem that it is made out to be but voter fraud is.

atooraya

How many cases of voter fraud were documented in 2016 again?

This country has voted for over 200 years. How did we do it before drivers licenses?

Also, just $10 to get an ID to vote sounds like a poll tax to me.

Seneca Pilot

Refer to question one of my last post. No state requires a drivers' license to vote. Proof of ID yes and its been that way for those 200 plus years.

It only takes a few votes in key areas to throw an election.
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

atooraya

Ok so are you posting this to prove that the system works and frauds are arrested and convicted? Or do you think an ID would stop people from voting twice or changing ballots signatures?

Excargodog

What if you could put it on your EBT card?