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#61
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the Donald genuinely wants to help us. He had been saying that since the beginning of this. The dems also want to help since we are all union. From what I can see, the issue is the dems want to sneak pork in and some gop senators don’t want to keep bailing us out, we are the only Fortune 500 companies who have gotten free money so far.
He could not care less about the industry.
#62
you can’t provide me with any evidence of this since he’s been president. You dislike him so this is your stance, you’re not unique. The President and Mnuchin have been for a stand-alone, as has the dude from Oregon. Everyone else has played politics with this. If you want this bill, DJT isn’t your issue, it’s McConnell and Pelosi.
#63
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From: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
Facts on each proposal:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...%5D%7D&s=5&r=1
Just like the previous bill that was passed in March, there are earmarks. Just like the same earmarks that Republicans are trying to pass with their provision that prevents employers from being held accountable for unsafe COVID conditions.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...%5D%7D&s=5&r=1
Just like the previous bill that was passed in March, there are earmarks. Just like the same earmarks that Republicans are trying to pass with their provision that prevents employers from being held accountable for unsafe COVID conditions.
#64
Is it possible? Sure. Is it difficult to fake? Yes.
Not like the old days with a easy to fake ID that said you are 21 when you were 18 are gone.
Making it difficult reduces fraud. Cannot say it is 100% perfect. But if you reduce 95% to 99% of the crime, you have accomplished a lot.
Like making it difficult to counterfeit a $20. Can it be done? Sure. But if you put in enough security features, you make it difficult enough to stop most of the crime.
#65
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I posted it to show that voter fraud does happen and would be a much bigger problem if we didn't take measures to prevent it.
I am asking the questions to get you to consider the reasons why people don't have ID's. Getting an ID is not a barrier to anyone who truly wants to be a member of our society and vote. It may be an inconvenience, it may carry a small cost, but it isn't a barrier unless that person isn't really all that concerned about voting in the first place.
It is not the Jim crow south. There are no poll taxes, literacy tests, or requirements to own property to vote but it is not unreasonable to ask a prospective voter to prove their identity. In my state there is no ID requirement. If you know my name and my precinct you can literally go and vote for me. In other words you could go and commit voter fraud and no one would know because they can't even ask you for an ID.
I am asking the questions to get you to consider the reasons why people don't have ID's. Getting an ID is not a barrier to anyone who truly wants to be a member of our society and vote. It may be an inconvenience, it may carry a small cost, but it isn't a barrier unless that person isn't really all that concerned about voting in the first place.
It is not the Jim crow south. There are no poll taxes, literacy tests, or requirements to own property to vote but it is not unreasonable to ask a prospective voter to prove their identity. In my state there is no ID requirement. If you know my name and my precinct you can literally go and vote for me. In other words you could go and commit voter fraud and no one would know because they can't even ask you for an ID.
People that work for a living can’t necessarily afford to spend an entire day waiting in line to vote in their one designated spot. Maybe some of that could be alleviated by moving voting to weekends when maybe 40% of people are working. Adding more days might help.
Military folks have been voting absentee for decades. Is that fraud?
We should be encouraging voter turnout and making it easier for people to vote. Anyone that thinks otherwise is just worried about a challenge to their ideas.
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21 million citizens don't according to the Brennan Center.
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-vo...ion-fact-sheet
According to ANES, of 4721 respondents, 3.3% do not have ID.
https://electionstudies.org/
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02...ment-photo-id/
Here's an NPR interview discussing it:
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/14620...-government-id
Also adding a study in Indiana from 2007 that showed 13% of registered voters did not have an ID:
http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/d...iana_voter.pdf
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-vo...ion-fact-sheet
According to ANES, of 4721 respondents, 3.3% do not have ID.
https://electionstudies.org/
https://checkyourfact.com/2018/12/02...ment-photo-id/
Here's an NPR interview discussing it:
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/14620...-government-id
Also adding a study in Indiana from 2007 that showed 13% of registered voters did not have an ID:
http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/d...iana_voter.pdf
#67
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There are thousands of kids that make it through the foster system and have a difficult time getting the records they need to register to vote, my wife used to help them. I’d say a good first step is mailing a ballot to every registered voter, like my state has been doing for several years. Second step would be move Election day to a Saturday and Sunday. Third would be penalize states that have in-person voter lines in excess of one hour.
People that work for a living can’t necessarily afford to spend an entire day waiting in line to vote in their one designated spot. Maybe some of that could be alleviated by moving voting to weekends when maybe 40% of people are working. Adding more days might help.
Military folks have been voting absentee for decades. Is that fraud?
We should be encouraging voter turnout and making it easier for people to vote. Anyone that thinks otherwise is just worried about a challenge to their ideas.
People that work for a living can’t necessarily afford to spend an entire day waiting in line to vote in their one designated spot. Maybe some of that could be alleviated by moving voting to weekends when maybe 40% of people are working. Adding more days might help.
Military folks have been voting absentee for decades. Is that fraud?
We should be encouraging voter turnout and making it easier for people to vote. Anyone that thinks otherwise is just worried about a challenge to their ideas.
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Yes I understand that. I registered to vote and every year my state sent me a ballot, solicited once, unsolicited at all other times. Plus, why should you have to remind the government every year that you want to vote? Do you renew your driver’s license every year or re-register for the selective service?
I say add a line to state tax forms that asks where you want your ballot mailed and have it auto-register for voting. Then we have driver’s license and tax payers mostly registered in states that have income tax. Then fix the problems affecting homeless, jobless, foster kids or people without cars.
I say add a line to state tax forms that asks where you want your ballot mailed and have it auto-register for voting. Then we have driver’s license and tax payers mostly registered in states that have income tax. Then fix the problems affecting homeless, jobless, foster kids or people without cars.
Last edited by Ronaldo; 10-13-2020 at 02:43 PM.
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Yes I understand that. I registered to vote and every year my state sent me a ballot, solicited once, unsolicited at all other times. Plus, why should you have to remind the government every year that you want to vote? Do you renew your driver’s license every year or re-register for the selective service?
Because otherwise if you have died other people can vote in your absence.
As I stated in another post I believe through blockchain technology we could have safe secure electronic voting. I agree that it should be accessible to everyone to vote who is qualified however we cannot have ballot harvesting and unsolicited mail in ballots. Too easy to vote fraudulently.
#70
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I think most states remove dead people from voter rolls and benefits lists. I’m sure accidents happen. Why not fix that problem then make it as easy as possible for everyone to vote?
Blockchain would be a possible solution to part of the problem but then you introduce or keep other problems. For instance # of and position of voting locations for people without computers, internet access and/or phones. Also, who is at the keyboard or phone? Obviously there are ways to address those problems but for people that claim fraud is the biggest threat to our elections, there will always be a counterpoint.
I think people like Kemp invalidating votes in his own election is more of a threat than .000004% election fraud observed in mail-in-ballots.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...anada-53353404
Blockchain would be a possible solution to part of the problem but then you introduce or keep other problems. For instance # of and position of voting locations for people without computers, internet access and/or phones. Also, who is at the keyboard or phone? Obviously there are ways to address those problems but for people that claim fraud is the biggest threat to our elections, there will always be a counterpoint.
I think people like Kemp invalidating votes in his own election is more of a threat than .000004% election fraud observed in mail-in-ballots.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...anada-53353404
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