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Old 10-13-2020 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronaldo
Blockchain would be a possible solution to part of the problem but then you introduce or keep other problems. For instance # of and position of voting locations for people without computers, internet access or phones. Also, who is at the keyboard or phone? Obviously there are ways to address those problems but for people that claim fraud is the biggest threat to our elections, there will always be a counterpoint.

I think people like Kemp invalidating votes in his own election is more of a threat than .000004% election fraud observed in mail-in-ballots.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...anada-53353404

Blockchain allows you to be assigned your personal key that only you know so pretty hard to cheat on that. Pretty hard to find more than a few people in poverty without a phone. Libraries and county offices also offer free computers for citizens to use.

(CNSNews.com) - Americans who live in households whose income is below the federal “poverty” level typically have cell phones (as well as landline phones), computers, televisions, video recorders, air conditioning, refrigerators, gas or electric stoves, and washers and dryers and microwaves, according to a newly released report from the Census Bureau.

In fact, 80.9 percent of households below the poverty level have cell phones, and a healthy majority—58.2 percent—have computers.
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Old 10-13-2020 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
Blockchain allows you to be assigned your personal key that only you know so pretty hard to cheat on that. Pretty hard to find more than a few people in poverty without a phone. Libraries and county offices also offer free computers for citizens to use.

(CNSNews.com) - Americans who live in households whose income is below the federal “poverty” level typically have cell phones (as well as landline phones), computers, televisions, video recorders, air conditioning, refrigerators, gas or electric stoves, and washers and dryers and microwaves, according to a newly released report from the Census Bureau.

In fact, 80.9 percent of households below the poverty level have cell phones, and a healthy majority—58.2 percent—have computers.
Im a huge proponent for blockchain technology, however there are still over 6 million Americans without internet. Also, people can steal your personal key in the mail, they same way they can allegedly steal your ballot.

One thing that all Americans have is some sort of access to the postal service. This is why progressives have been advocating banking thru the post office for those who can’t afford a checking account. I get unsolicited mail all the damn time. If one of those unsolicited pieces is my ballot to exercise my fundamental right to vote, then thank your for removing an extra step of requesting a ballot.
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Old 10-13-2020 | 03:35 PM
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That’s applesranges. Millions of people are below the poverty line and then there are homeless. Some of those below the poverty line are counted in the census. A good number, homeless, are not counted. The first line of your story states “households”. This is probably something we should be fixing fast in this economy. But that’s a different story.

So assuming you securely distribute the key, who is at the keyboard? Which software company do you trust to develop 53 versions of the software? With Net Neutrality repealed it would be possible/legal for ISPs to slow voting traffic by zip code. They own the network and it is not a public utility. Election tampering aside, repeal of net neutrality is a threat to voting by network. I’m assuming there are versions for iOS 1-infinity, Linux, Unix, Windows ME, etc. Or would it be web based? Distributed servers or housed in one state? Sure the ledger is distributed but the front-end has to be housed someplace. As do the voter registrations. Blockchain is resistant but distributing the information to ledgers and the ledgers themselves are not hack proof. Nevermind here’s this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconv...roblems-122521

I wouldn’t trust that system against a government adversary. And we know Russia has no interest in influencing our elections right?
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Old 10-13-2020 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by atooraya
Im a huge proponent for blockchain technology, however there are still over 6 million Americans without internet. Also, people can steal your personal key in the mail, they same way they can allegedly steal your ballot.

One thing that all Americans have is some sort of access to the postal service. This is why progressives have been advocating banking thru the post office for those who can’t afford a checking account. I get unsolicited mail all the damn time. If one of those unsolicited pieces is my ballot to exercise my fundamental right to vote, then thank your for removing an extra step of requesting a ballot.

If using blockchain any public location willing to allow use of computers for voting could be a polling location. Of course most of the country would vote on their own devices.
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Old 10-13-2020 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
It's funny how the Left wants to minimize the importance of voter fraud, and at the same time open avenues for more voter fraud by pushing mail-in voting...


When myself, as a Republican, just wants to go to a polling station where I know my vote made it into the system.

I think you should at least have a driver's license or state ID to vote (even though you're supposed to be vetted through voter registration), but I don't buy "mail in voter fraud" for a second. Democrats indicated they were much more likely to absentee vote during the pandemic than Republicans, so Trump is trying to change the rules in his favor with an obviously lame excuse. I'm annoyed because I probably would've absentee voted, but now I'll do early voting instead so I don't have to fight the crowds on election day, if I'm not flying a trip anyway.
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Old 10-13-2020 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronaldo
That’s applesranges. Millions of people are below the poverty line and then there are homeless. Some of those below the poverty line are counted in the census. A good number, homeless, are not counted. The first line of your story states “households”. This is probably something we should be fixing fast in this economy. But that’s a different story.

So assuming you securely distribute the key, who is at the keyboard? Which software company do you trust to develop 53 versions of the software? With Net Neutrality repealed it would be possible/legal for ISPs to slow voting traffic by zip code. They own the network and it is not a public utility. Election tampering aside, repeal of net neutrality is a threat to voting by network. I’m assuming there are versions for iOS 1-infinity, Linux, Unix, Windows ME, etc. Or would it be web based? Distributed servers or housed in one state? Sure the ledger is distributed but the front-end has to be housed someplace. As do the voter registrations. Blockchain is resistant but distributing the information to ledgers and the ledgers themselves are not hack proof. Nevermind here’s this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconv...roblems-122521

I wouldn’t trust that system against a government adversary. And we know Russia has no interest in influencing our elections right?

Well then the answer is simply require everyone to vote in person or by solicited mail in/absentee ballot with proper ID and voter registration.
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Old 10-13-2020 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Duffman
I think you should at least have a driver's license or state ID to vote (even though you're supposed to be vetted through voter registration), but I don't buy "mail in voter fraud" for a second. Democrats indicated they were much more likely to absentee vote during the pandemic than Republicans, so Trump is trying to change the rules in his favor with an obviously lame excuse. I'm annoyed because I probably would've absentee voted, but now I'll do early voting instead so I don't have to fight the crowds on election day, if I'm not flying a trip anyway.
The biggest problem with mail in and absentee is not actually fraud but people's votes not being counted due to errors on the ballot that poll workers usually spot and have the voter correct at the polls. These ballots are simply thrown out when on election day its too late to have it corrected.

I am sure that my experience is unique but I have never had to spend more than twenty or thirty minutes at a polling location to vote. I have been voting since 1978.
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Old 10-13-2020 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
The biggest problem with mail in and absentee is not actually fraud but people's votes not being counted due to errors on the ballot that poll workers usually spot and have the voter correct at the polls. These ballots are simply thrown out when on election day its too late to have it corrected.

I am sure that my experience is unique but I have never had to spend more than twenty or thirty minutes at a polling location to vote. I have been voting since 1978.
Yes! The issue with mail in voting isn’t the fraud, but instead that votes do get thrown out because either there is no signature, or there is no signature match. That’s why you need to vote early, and hopefully your state has ballottrax to see where you ballot is, and if it’s been counted. In my state, I dropped my ballot off at a ballot box last Wednesday and got the confirmation today that it was received and accepted.

Like you, I haven’t had to ever wait in a line to vote. Then again, I’ve lived in major metropolitan blue cities that have many voting locations. The biggest issue I’ve ever had is parking, and I think in a primary 6 years ago I was 3rd in line.
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Old 10-13-2020 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
The biggest problem with mail in and absentee is not actually fraud but people's votes not being counted due to errors on the ballot that poll workers usually spot and have the voter correct at the polls. These ballots are simply thrown out when on election day its too late to have it corrected.

I am sure that my experience is unique but I have never had to spend more than twenty or thirty minutes at a polling location to vote. I have been voting since 1978.
I just saw a guy time his voting day. Took 7:45:13 to get to the poll, waiting in line. I doubt either case is unique. Depends what neighborhood you live in.
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Old 10-13-2020 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronaldo
I just saw a guy time his voting day. Took 7:45:13 to get to the poll, waiting in line. I doubt either case is unique. Depends what neighborhood you live in.

Over forty years plus voting in many different parts of the country poor and wealthy, city and rural, I have never seen, heard, or witnessed anything like that type of wait. Unless you can link a news story or something else to verify that I am going to have to call bull******. Even with fifty or seventy five people in front of me I have never taken more than 30 minutes to get to a voting machine. And you say this was at an early voting location. Its not even election day.
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