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Old 10-23-2020, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast View Post
More proof that this won't end until there is a vaccine.
But we can’t trust a vaccine if it is developed under a Trump administration, or something...
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Old 10-23-2020, 02:29 PM
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Well at least we know Florida will not be locked down again.
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Old 10-23-2020, 03:31 PM
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Early on, the docs said that everybody would be infected eventually. So it is a “sooner or later” problem, try to delay your infection as long as possible, don’t have a commodity and hope for the best. We all die someday.
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Old 10-23-2020, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Huell View Post
True that ... it takes more than politics to fix stupid.
What is stupid is believing a mask stops a virus. You know something you can't see without a electron microscope. The tip of your finger, 1 square mm, can literally hold 10s of millions of them.

Because of this small size; scientists, researchers and doctors really don't fully understand how virus truly exists in the outside environment. Since they are so small, they can attach to anything; pollen nodule, leaf, piece of dirt, an amoeba - just about anything. They truly are everywhere and anywhere.

Did you know that right now Huell, millions of sub atomic particles are passing right thru your body? They are called neutrinos. They are passing thru you and I right now - millions and millions of them. They are passing right thru us, the earth and off they go. They are small, like viruses. We interact with these. Things we can't see, all the time. In the case of neutrinos they pass harmlessly thru us, the earth and off into space.

Fortunately when we get to virus, albeit small, very small, we have a mechanism in our bodies to identify and fight it. Our bodies are constantly in a struggle with various bacteria, fungi and viruses. Our evolution got us to where we are at now. Giving us an upper respiratory system that is a fantastic fortress. Our immune system has developed over the millennia to combat these nano particles and micro organisms.

However, bacterial and fungi tend to be more lethal to us. A virus is just a mechanism. Normally healthy, uncompromised humans can shred a virus or bacterial infection in short order. That happens thousands of times, everyday for each of us 6+billion people. What happens when we have health compromised humans?

The reason the second week of infection is considered the "worry" stage (15 days to slow the spread remember) is NOT because of the virus; rather this is the time when a weakened immune system, either by exposure or by losing the balance battle cannot prevent the bacteria/fungi from taking off. Most people who die from influenza, coronavirus, even rhinovirus, do so primarily from pneumonia (bacterial infection) or some other systemic bacterial infection.

Aging, diabetes/obesity, liver disease, kidney disease, cancer, lung disease, other infections (viral/bacterial/fungal), stress, circulatory problems, cardiovascular disease, and several others all can cause weakened immune systems (that is why they are called “comorbidities”).

All of these things occur at a level where our senses cannot perceive them. Just like the neutrinos that are passing thru you right now without cause, you body is busy fighting off millions of little nasty guys - without you even being aware of it.

The issue I have with masks is this - maskers think the virus magically gets glued to the mask and never goes further. That is false. All that happens is the moisture droplet or whatever it was hitchhiking on out of an infected person dried up. You then, expel it. The virus did not disappear because the medium it was hitchhiking on coming out of you disappeared or dried up. The virus is very much viable, in your mask. By the mere exercise of breathing thru the mask you are transmitting.

In fact your mask is going to collect 100s of millions of these guys and every time you exhale, cough, sneeze or whatever with your mask on - you are just jettisoning those virus guys out. Masks don't stop the spread whatsoever. We don't know and have not been trained on mask wear and protocols like those in the medical and infections disease world. They normally don't wear a mask longer than 20 minutes to maybe half an hour. Surgical masks are different and are worn in a much different environment (its sterile where they are worn). They have protocols for fitting and disposal.

The virus protocol before April 2020 was quarantine of the sick and vulnerable with herd immunity being the primary directive. For whatever reason, that was nullified this time around subsequent to April 2020 (recall fauxchis pressers in feb and early mach - no masks).

My wife (the MD) and I had dinner with an colleague of hers up in ATL the other night. She works for the CDC. Been there since 2003. She can not understand the backtrack on the protocol - herd immunity. She is not a MD, but a biologist. An infectious disease expert (former US Army NBC type).

We've been led down a destructive path with this thing. Lied to, lives destroyed. The fact the infectious disease community took a decades long standing practice (herd immunity) and threw it to the curb should be telling. Leave it up to you to decide why.
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Old 10-23-2020, 04:32 PM
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As I was leaving the house today, my wife was making sure I had clean masks to wear for my trip. She had just read an article and mentioned a staggering amount of bacterial infections from people wearing dirty masks. Not only do I honestly believe they’re not helping, but they’re actually hurting us at this point. With that said, I’ll continue to be respectful and wear mine when required.
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Old 10-23-2020, 05:36 PM
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Meh, I ain't wasting money on a bunch of disposable masks. I'm still on the first one I found outside the grocery store three months ago. Luckily the Cortisone is controlling the rash on my face.
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Old 10-23-2020, 05:59 PM
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Covid is almost exclusively a contact virus, even if the masks worked to 100% efficiency, they would only prevent a slight fraction of cases. Masks are low hanging fruit politically, because they can easily be seen on the face, vs hygiene habits in private.
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Old 10-24-2020, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Phins2right View Post
What is stupid is believing a mask stops a virus. You know something you can't see without a electron microscope. The tip of your finger, 1 square mm, can literally hold 10s of millions of them.

Because of this small size; scientists, researchers and doctors really don't fully understand how virus truly exists in the outside environment. Since they are so small, they can attach to anything; pollen nodule, leaf, piece of dirt, an amoeba - just about anything. They truly are everywhere and anywhere.

Did you know that right now Huell, millions of sub atomic particles are passing right thru your body? They are called neutrinos. They are passing thru you and I right now - millions and millions of them. They are passing right thru us, the earth and off they go. They are small, like viruses. We interact with these. Things we can't see, all the time. In the case of neutrinos they pass harmlessly thru us, the earth and off into space.

Fortunately when we get to virus, albeit small, very small, we have a mechanism in our bodies to identify and fight it. Our bodies are constantly in a struggle with various bacteria, fungi and viruses. Our evolution got us to where we are at now. Giving us an upper respiratory system that is a fantastic fortress. Our immune system has developed over the millennia to combat these nano particles and micro organisms.

However, bacterial and fungi tend to be more lethal to us. A virus is just a mechanism. Normally healthy, uncompromised humans can shred a virus or bacterial infection in short order. That happens thousands of times, everyday for each of us 6+billion people. What happens when we have health compromised humans?

The reason the second week of infection is considered the "worry" stage (15 days to slow the spread remember) is NOT because of the virus; rather this is the time when a weakened immune system, either by exposure or by losing the balance battle cannot prevent the bacteria/fungi from taking off. Most people who die from influenza, coronavirus, even rhinovirus, do so primarily from pneumonia (bacterial infection) or some other systemic bacterial infection.

Aging, diabetes/obesity, liver disease, kidney disease, cancer, lung disease, other infections (viral/bacterial/fungal), stress, circulatory problems, cardiovascular disease, and several others all can cause weakened immune systems (that is why they are called “comorbidities”).

All of these things occur at a level where our senses cannot perceive them. Just like the neutrinos that are passing thru you right now without cause, you body is busy fighting off millions of little nasty guys - without you even being aware of it.

The issue I have with masks is this - maskers think the virus magically gets glued to the mask and never goes further. That is false. All that happens is the moisture droplet or whatever it was hitchhiking on out of an infected person dried up. You then, expel it. The virus did not disappear because the medium it was hitchhiking on coming out of you disappeared or dried up. The virus is very much viable, in your mask. By the mere exercise of breathing thru the mask you are transmitting.

In fact your mask is going to collect 100s of millions of these guys and every time you exhale, cough, sneeze or whatever with your mask on - you are just jettisoning those virus guys out. Masks don't stop the spread whatsoever. We don't know and have not been trained on mask wear and protocols like those in the medical and infections disease world. They normally don't wear a mask longer than 20 minutes to maybe half an hour. Surgical masks are different and are worn in a much different environment (its sterile where they are worn). They have protocols for fitting and disposal.

The virus protocol before April 2020 was quarantine of the sick and vulnerable with herd immunity being the primary directive. For whatever reason, that was nullified this time around subsequent to April 2020 (recall fauxchis pressers in feb and early mach - no masks).

My wife (the MD) and I had dinner with an colleague of hers up in ATL the other night. She works for the CDC. Been there since 2003. She can not understand the backtrack on the protocol - herd immunity. She is not a MD, but a biologist. An infectious disease expert (former US Army NBC type).

We've been led down a destructive path with this thing. Lied to, lives destroyed. The fact the infectious disease community took a decades long standing practice (herd immunity) and threw it to the curb should be telling. Leave it up to you to decide why.
Phins nailed it.

I've been told the exact same thing by a friend who was a pathologist specializing in infectious disease for three decades.

And a friend who is an AME.

And my PCP.

And by every other medical professional in our extended family circle. And since my mother in law was an MD, there are a lot of them.
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Old 10-24-2020, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by flydrive View Post
Just watch; a vaccine won't be good enough for the fear mongers either. This nonsense will never end without a massive pushback of some kind.
Agreed. I’ve been saying that. There needs to be a significant pushback from the “normal” citizenry.
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Old 10-24-2020, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER View Post
Agreed. I’ve been saying that. There needs to be a significant pushback from the “normal” citizenry.
My pushback is not giving a eff in my day to day life.
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