Lockdown Part 2
10-24-2020, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Covid is almost exclusively a contact virus, even if the masks worked to 100% efficiency, they would only prevent a slight fraction of cases.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ho...l-virus-spread
10-24-2020, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Dr Goldman, a Rutgers microbiologist, disagrees with this statement. But what does he know?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ho...l-virus-spread
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ho...l-virus-spread
10-24-2020, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Why don't you ask Dr. Goldman why we haven't seen a single case of Covid19 transmission on US aircraft, when SARs1 had hundreds of cases from only a handful of flights.
10-24-2020, 10:55 AM
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If masks are so effective why have countries that have mandated mask laws, even outside, like Germany and Italy — have had their COVID case rates expand by several hundred percent?
If masks are so effective, why has Sweden, which has no mandated mask requirement — has one of the lowest COVID cases rates in Europe and frequently has a daily death rate of zero?
Science uses empirical data, observation of the real world, to formulate theories and beliefs. It doesn’t matter what an epidemiologist or politician says, at the end of the day what matters is measurable observation.
In the last three weeks Italy has gone from 2,500 cases per day to 20,000 cases per day, an increase of 800%. All the while masks are mandated everywhere in public, even outside.
https://www.thelocal.it/20201002/cov...c-at-all-times
Top German MD admits cloth masks are an ineffective failure:
https://m.dw.com/en/coronavirus-top-german-doctor-in-hot-water-over-mask-comments/a-55372596
If masks are so effective, why has Sweden, which has no mandated mask requirement — has one of the lowest COVID cases rates in Europe and frequently has a daily death rate of zero?
Science uses empirical data, observation of the real world, to formulate theories and beliefs. It doesn’t matter what an epidemiologist or politician says, at the end of the day what matters is measurable observation.
In the last three weeks Italy has gone from 2,500 cases per day to 20,000 cases per day, an increase of 800%. All the while masks are mandated everywhere in public, even outside.
https://www.thelocal.it/20201002/cov...c-at-all-times
Top German MD admits cloth masks are an ineffective failure:
https://m.dw.com/en/coronavirus-top-german-doctor-in-hot-water-over-mask-comments/a-55372596
10-24-2020, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
If masks are so effective why have countries that have mandated mask laws, even outside, like Germany and Italy — have had their COVID case rates expand by several hundred percent?
If masks are so effective, why has Sweden, which has no mandated mask requirement — has one of the lowest COVID cases rates in Europe and frequently has a daily death rate of zero?
Science uses empirical data, observation of the real world, to formulate theories and beliefs. It doesn’t matter what an epidemiologist or politician says, at the end of the day what matters is measurable observation.
In the last three weeks Italy has gone from 2,500 cases per day to 20,000 cases per day, an increase of 800%. All the while masks are mandated everywhere in public, even outside.
https://www.thelocal.it/20201002/cov...c-at-all-times
Top German MD admits cloth masks are an ineffective failure:
https://m.dw.com/en/coronavirus-top-...nts/a-55372596
If masks are so effective, why has Sweden, which has no mandated mask requirement — has one of the lowest COVID cases rates in Europe and frequently has a daily death rate of zero?
Science uses empirical data, observation of the real world, to formulate theories and beliefs. It doesn’t matter what an epidemiologist or politician says, at the end of the day what matters is measurable observation.
In the last three weeks Italy has gone from 2,500 cases per day to 20,000 cases per day, an increase of 800%. All the while masks are mandated everywhere in public, even outside.
https://www.thelocal.it/20201002/cov...c-at-all-times
Top German MD admits cloth masks are an ineffective failure:
https://m.dw.com/en/coronavirus-top-...nts/a-55372596
10-24-2020, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
If masks are so effective why have countries that have mandated mask laws, even outside, like Germany and Italy — have had their COVID case rates expand by several hundred percent?
I am in Germany almost every week and hadn't been required to wear a mask until 2 weeks ago. Unless in a crowed store masks were virtually nonexistent for months Europes mask rules were pretty lax. And thus the problem now.
10-24-2020, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jetlaggy
I am in Germany almost every week and hadn't been required to wear a mask until 2 weeks ago. Unless in a crowed store masks were virtually nonexistent for months Europes mask rules were pretty lax. And thus the problem now.
10-24-2020, 12:55 PM
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It appears most people get it in situations where masks are not being worn. Family gatherings, parties etc. Not in grocery stores or airplanes where everyone wears masks.
My brother just tested positive after a date with a woman who tested positive after their date. My brother subsequently us for our son's birthday and gave our mother a ride in his car. He tested positive two days later.
I have been travelling Europe for work throughout the pandemic including travelling by airline a lot. I've been to all the hot spots. I followed mask , distancing and hygiene protocols and had a negative antibody test last week. I may now have gotten it from my brother because of course we don't wear masks around the house with close family over for a child's birthday. Getting tested on Monday. We will see. I'm not worried about myself but am a bit worried about my mother.
My brother just tested positive after a date with a woman who tested positive after their date. My brother subsequently us for our son's birthday and gave our mother a ride in his car. He tested positive two days later.
I have been travelling Europe for work throughout the pandemic including travelling by airline a lot. I've been to all the hot spots. I followed mask , distancing and hygiene protocols and had a negative antibody test last week. I may now have gotten it from my brother because of course we don't wear masks around the house with close family over for a child's birthday. Getting tested on Monday. We will see. I'm not worried about myself but am a bit worried about my mother.
10-24-2020, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Fauci says time for a national mask mandate.
If it were legal it would have happened already. Besides, he can go to hell regardless if he’s right or not. People are getting more and more fed up on a daily basis.
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