furloughfuntime

Yes. Is it really that complicated? You're worried about the prospect of urban centers dictating to the rest of rural America. As it stands now, rural America has a disproportionate amount of power and dictates to the urban centers. You are advocating rule by a minority simply by virtue of where they live.

The appeal to the fact that "the founding father's did it this way, so we should keep it this way" is also an appeal to tradition, which is a logical fallacy. But let's look at what one of its authors has to say about the idea that the constitution shouldn't be changed.
Thomas Jefferson:

"No work of man is perfect. It is inevitable that, in the course of time, the imperfections of a written Constitution will become apparent. Moreover, the passage of time will bring changes in society which a Constitution must accommodate if it is to remain suitable for the nation. It was imperative, therefore, that a practicable means of amending the Constitution be provided."

He also said that the constitution should be revised every 19 or so years to stay relevant to changing circumstances. So this whole appeal to "the desire of the framers" 250 years later is pretty silly, given that one of the most important framers basically said it needs to be updated to account for changing times and circumstances

Seneca Pilot

We have been discussing the reasons for the Electoral College. I don't advocate that it can't be changed. By all means make the case, garner the votes, and get an amendment passed. If you have the votes to do that then it would be the undeniable will of the people.

That would be a very difficult task because the super majority needed is not there. You see the founders did understand that the country would change but they had the prescience and wisdom to understand that those changes should never be made by a simple majority in a heated time in history. Change like that has to be difficult and hard won for it to be truly the will of the people.

It is easy to advocate for the simple majority to rule when you are confident that they agree with your views. It is another thing altogether to be on the outside looking in when the simple majority is on the other side and taking your freedoms away. I prefer an imperfect and sometimes frustrating system to mob rule that can vote to take your and my property or freedoms when the political winds change.

Roy Biggins

This is very well said.

GateAgent007

This is hyperbolic nonsense that needs to be continually refuted. There's no such grab happening in "reality." Meanwhile, you'll shovel 25% of your income into for-profit healthcare. More if you have a critical illness.

Amendments used to be fairly commonplace. What changed? Hyperpartisanship. And saying the other side wants to steal from you and murder you is dangerous and frankly Un-American.

Seneca Pilot

It isn't happening here because of our structure. It has happened in other places throughout history.

There are 27 amendments and we started with the first ten. In a country with 244 years of history I wouldn't characterize that as commonplace. We are having a civil and nuanced discussion, you are the one introducing the hyperbole.

highfarfast

I see several posts from both sides indicating a view that votes cast for the eventual loser is a waisted vote. There's an inherent fallacy in that view. You vote your cause. If enough of your neighbors are also of the same mindset, you win. If not, you lose. But your vote is not waisted.

Seneca Pilot

Exactly why I vote Libertarian even though I know my candidate will likely never win. I vote for my values and hope the leaders are paying attention when they don't get my vote.

TransWorld

Have you heard details of all the viable reports of numerous, much more massive voter cheating? Particularly in those 6 swing states? If they turn out to be true, there were massive attempts to steal the election. Have you heard of these reports?

highfarfast

You and me both. Never feel it's waisted.

TransWorld

When I eat a candy bar it is always waisted. It is never wasted.