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Old 10-05-2021 | 11:44 AM
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Natural immunity is far better than the "vaccines" - follow the science ...... NO VACCINE MANDATES - https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horow...covid-vaccines
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Old 10-05-2021 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Ok, you were replying to a discussion about whether a medical condition prohibiting you from getting the vaccine qualified someone for LTD by the terms of the policy/UPA if the company mandates unpaid leave as an accommodation. I’m not really sure what you’re saying has to do with that, unless you are saying they should just be terminated and therefore not qualify for LTD, which ends on termination.
Actually I read the previous post wrong and responded incorrectly. I was thinking about the reasonable accommodation process and how unvaccinated employees could feed the company argument of undue burden, not how LTD is affected. Reading comprehension and all….
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Old 10-05-2021 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JayAitch
I don't think anyone disagrees with case by case legitimate medical conditions.. I'd like to see honest examples of them though. And for what it's worth preference for an un-offered treatment isn't qualifying.
A single medical exemption would prove reasonable accomodations exist, opening the door for religious exemptions.
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Old 10-05-2021 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
You are going to take the word of an unshaven man who can't feed himself without getting food on his face vs all the peer reviewed, published studies done showing more robust protection from the vaccine? The CDC recommends vaccination even for those recovered from covid. There is no guarantee which strain you had or if you had a severe enough case to build antibodies. Just take a gander at the numbers last week in NJ 96% (42 vaccinated out of 1000) of hospitalizations are from the unvaccinated population. It is pretty difficult to come to the conclusion that the vaccine isn't working when you look at real data.
3 of Pfizer’s own scientists say that natural immunity is better and has longer protection than the vaccines. They said they had to sign NDAs related to the fact. Why would Pfizer need them to sign NDAs if that wasn’t a fact? Dr. Fauci also admitted on CNN that he doesn’t have a good explanation why credit can’t be given to natural immunity. Are you saying you’re more of an expert than Dr. Fauci and the very scientists that Pfizer employs to help them make billions of dollars? Your CDC “study” only uses 200ish people from Kentucky. Not to mention how much funding they get from big pharma. Meanwhile, a study that used 700,000 actual covid patients and almost every other study in the world all show that natural immunity offers 7 times the protection of vaccines. Why else would the U.S. be one of the only countries in the entire world that doesn’t give any credit to natural immunity? The Pfizer scientists echo this sentiment, along with Dr. Fauci indirectly.

“Covid” hospitalizations are severely skewed. Hospitals will test car accident victims or anybody for that matter if they’re not vaccinated. If they test positive they then get counted as a covid hospitalization even if theyre there for a broken arm. “The Atlantic” published a story on this fact a few weeks ago and they are a known liberal leaning publication so I doubt it’s a conspiracy theory.

Also, Pfizer is now doing their own testing to see the severity of myocarditis, especially in young men. They admitted they could have their vaccine taken off the market depending on the results. What happens to the company mandate if the Pfizer vaccine is pulled from the public market barely 2 months after full FDA approval? Even if it doesn’t get pulled from the market… the fact that Pfizer is at least worried that it’s a possibility is very concerning. So yes, let’s keeping pushing the vaccines while Pfizer is conducting their own research to see if they need to pull their vaccine or not. Sounds like a smart idea to me.
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Old 10-05-2021 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fadec
A single medical exemption would prove reasonable accomodations exist, opening the door for religious exemptions.
What does one person having a medical exemption have to do with religious exemptions? These are unrelated. Besides which, there is no consistent theological justification against the vaccine.
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Old 10-05-2021 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JayAitch
What does one person having a medical exemption have to do with religious exemptions? These are unrelated. Besides which, there is no consistent theological justification against the vaccine.
1. If the company makes allowances for any reason then they have shown it is acceptable. It's not the reason for the exemption, but the cost. If the they can bear the cost for someone's medical problem, they can bear it to comply with the 1964 civil rights act.

2. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." State religion is banned by the first amendment. End of story. A court cannot say what is and what is not an acceptable religion. It cannot say which beliefs are reasonable and which are not. Again, the only thing that matters is at what point the cost of an accomodation becomes unreasonable for the company.
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Old 10-05-2021 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by fadec
1. If the company makes allowances for any reason then they have shown it is acceptable. It's not the reason for the exemption, but the cost. If the they can bear the cost for someone's medical problem, they can bear it to comply with the 1964 civil rights act.

2. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." State religion is banned by the first amendment. End of story. A court cannot say what is and what is not an acceptable religion. It cannot say which beliefs are reasonable and which are not. Again, the only thing that matters is at what point the cost of an accomodation becomes unreasonable for the company.
If you’ve been vaccinated in the past- especially for this job- it will be hard to prove you have a religious objection to vaccination, though. I think that applies to basically all of us.
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Old 10-05-2021 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
If you’ve been vaccinated in the past- especially for this job- it will be hard to prove you have a religious objection to vaccination, though. I think that applies to basically all of us.
People convert. Lew Alcindor. Cassius Clay. Heck, just in 18 months, half the country has converted from believing in freedom to worshipping Lord Fauci despite him flip flopping on virtually every topic including his latest stance on whether we’re allowed to have Christmas this year. If you celebrate family time… last week you were a domestic terrorist… this week it’s debatable as long as youre vaccinated.
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Old 10-05-2021 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by thor55
Natural immunity is far better than the "vaccines" - follow the science ...... NO VACCINE MANDATES - https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horow...covid-vaccines
Is your mental capacity so limited that you really believe capitalization will sway others to your argument based on such a solid source?
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Old 10-06-2021 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
3 of Pfizer’s own scientists say that natural immunity is better and has longer protection than the vaccines. They said they had to sign NDAs related to the fact. Why would Pfizer need them to sign NDAs if that wasn’t a fact? Dr. Fauci also admitted on CNN that he doesn’t have a good explanation why credit can’t be given to natural immunity. Are you saying you’re more of an expert than Dr. Fauci and the very scientists that Pfizer employs to help them make billions of dollars? Your CDC “study” only uses 200ish people from Kentucky. Not to mention how much funding they get from big pharma. Meanwhile, a study that used 700,000 actual covid patients and almost every other study in the world all show that natural immunity offers 7 times the protection of vaccines. Why else would the U.S. be one of the only countries in the entire world that doesn’t give any credit to natural immunity? The Pfizer scientists echo this sentiment, along with Dr. Fauci indirectly.

“Covid” hospitalizations are severely skewed. Hospitals will test car accident victims or anybody for that matter if they’re not vaccinated. If they test positive they then get counted as a covid hospitalization even if theyre there for a broken arm. “The Atlantic” published a story on this fact a few weeks ago and they are a known liberal leaning publication so I doubt it’s a conspiracy theory.

Also, Pfizer is now doing their own testing to see the severity of myocarditis, especially in young men. They admitted they could have their vaccine taken off the market depending on the results. What happens to the company mandate if the Pfizer vaccine is pulled from the public market barely 2 months after full FDA approval? Even if it doesn’t get pulled from the market… the fact that Pfizer is at least worried that it’s a possibility is very concerning. So yes, let’s keeping pushing the vaccines while Pfizer is conducting their own research to see if they need to pull their vaccine or not. Sounds like a smart idea to me.
If everything is a conspiracy you have much bigger issue to address than your inability to look critically at a source of information. The CDC recommends vaccination even for those that have recovered from covid. The majority of research (to the point that I would have to actively want to seek out a study with an opposing view) points to a more robust protection with the vaccine compared to antibodies from a previous infection. Pfizer and any pharma company makes everyone sign NDAs from broom pushers to their pilots. The hospitals are now in on the conspiracy to report more unvaccinated cases... if everything is a conspiracy angled to make your easily refuted "real thinker" ideas look silly couldn't it just be possible your ideas are poorly thought out? You don't see that your sources aren't reputable or from unpublished studies?
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