“Reasonable Accommodation”
10-04-2021, 03:28 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by MIddle3rd
The point is they don’t want to pass their physicals. They want to have a choice as to whether or not they get this vaccine. They’ll find another problem to go out on if they have to. By the way. Where in the LoA is the mandatory vaccine? The LOA specifically said the company wouldn’t make it mandatory. Said loa is now terminated.
They have a choice...they just don't like the consequences. We'll wait and see how this plays out, but I think you're underestimating the ease of collecting LTD. I don't know if you work for UAL (your screen name leads me to believe you do), but we ALL pay for pilots on LTD so we all have a dog in the fight.
10-04-2021, 03:56 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
You answered your own question re. the LOA.
They have a choice...they just don't like the consequences. We'll wait and see how this plays out, but I think you're underestimating the ease of collecting LTD. I don't know if you work for UAL (your screen name leads me to believe you do), but we ALL pay for pilots on LTD so we all have a dog in the fight.
They have a choice...they just don't like the consequences. We'll wait and see how this plays out, but I think you're underestimating the ease of collecting LTD. I don't know if you work for UAL (your screen name leads me to believe you do), but we ALL pay for pilots on LTD so we all have a dog in the fight.
Good luck. You may have a dog but you have no say. I’d say the consequences will be what WE don’t like since we’re all going to be paying for a bunch of our coworkers who take the LTD.
As long as they are legally covered per their doctor nothing can be done. Ask the company how firing 11 people who got divorces to collect pensions went for them?
10-04-2021, 04:56 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
You qualify if you are:
I don't see how not wanting to take the vaccine meets that requirement. The COVID vaccination isn't related to our fitness for a Class I. On Oct 15th a pilot with a medical exemption is in exactly the same position relative to their Class I as they were on Sept 1st. Seems straightforward to me. How do you read this?
I don't see how not wanting to take the vaccine meets that requirement. The COVID vaccination isn't related to our fitness for a Class I. On Oct 15th a pilot with a medical exemption is in exactly the same position relative to their Class I as they were on Sept 1st. Seems straightforward to me. How do you read this?
"A Pilot is considered to be disabled under the LTD Plan if the Pilot is ineligible to exercise the privileges of the Airman Medical Certificate that the Company requires to operate in the Pilot’s bid position as the result of an injury or medical condition."
This is the same language in the expanded policy as well.
It doesn't mention your ability to maintain an FAA physical, just that you can or can't exercise your certificate as a result of that condition. If you received a medical RA and then the company no longer allows you to exercise your certificate in your BES, it certainly would seem to qualify to me. I'm assuming that the RAP was legitimate enough to only afford RAs to those with supported conditions, not just those who didn't want to get it for whatever reason. I have no idea how many of the people in that group were religious/medical RAs, so this is largely academic. There's likely so few of them that we may never actually know what happens.
10-04-2021, 05:45 PM
#105
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Yeah, but you left out the most important part...
"A Pilot is considered to be disabled under the LTD Plan if the Pilot is ineligible to exercise the privileges of the Airman Medical Certificate that the Company requires to operate in the Pilot’s bid position as the result of an injury or medical condition."
This is the same language in the expanded policy as well.
It doesn't mention your ability to maintain an FAA physical, just that you can or can't exercise your certificate as a result of that condition. If you received a medical RA and then the company no longer allows you to exercise your certificate in your BES, it certainly would seem to qualify to me. I'm assuming that the RAP was legitimate enough to only afford RAs to those with supported conditions, not just those who didn't want to get it for whatever reason. I have no idea how many of the people in that group were religious/medical RAs, so this is largely academic. There's likely so few of them that we may never actually know what happens.
"A Pilot is considered to be disabled under the LTD Plan if the Pilot is ineligible to exercise the privileges of the Airman Medical Certificate that the Company requires to operate in the Pilot’s bid position as the result of an injury or medical condition."
This is the same language in the expanded policy as well.
It doesn't mention your ability to maintain an FAA physical, just that you can or can't exercise your certificate as a result of that condition. If you received a medical RA and then the company no longer allows you to exercise your certificate in your BES, it certainly would seem to qualify to me. I'm assuming that the RAP was legitimate enough to only afford RAs to those with supported conditions, not just those who didn't want to get it for whatever reason. I have no idea how many of the people in that group were religious/medical RAs, so this is largely academic. There's likely so few of them that we may never actually know what happens.
10-05-2021, 03:46 AM
#108
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Ted Nugent speaks to people who received the vaccine:
https://www.*****ute.com/video/QFCvwNfoW3mM/
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https://www.*****ute.com/video/QFCvwNfoW3mM/
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10-05-2021, 04:07 AM
#109
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
That part is irrelevant since they aren't ineligible to exercise their medical certificate. Has any pilot been able to collect LTD over the yellow fever vaccine? This is COMPANY policy - NOT FAA medical requirement.
It’s completely relevant. The company made a policy that makes them ineligible to exercise their certificate for a medical reason. It’s the language of the UPA verbatim.
I’m not aware of a pilot who was put on a unpaid leave who had a medical exemption for the yellow fever vaccine, are you?
10-05-2021, 04:40 AM
#110
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
It’s completely relevant. The company made a policy that makes them ineligible to exercise their certificate for a medical reason. It’s the language of the UPA verbatim.
I’m not aware of a pilot who was put on a unpaid leave who had a medical exemption for the yellow fever vaccine, are you?
I’m not aware of a pilot who was put on a unpaid leave who had a medical exemption for the yellow fever vaccine, are you?
