Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish

https://trialsitenews.com/proof-that...accine-safety/

no,

Originally Posted by Aquaticus

Vaers isn't real data and is pure political theater. It has never been an acceptable source.

This is from a site that compiles data from every state in the US that reports:

• The hospitalization rate among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 ranged from effectively zero (0.00%) in California, Delaware, D.C., Indiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Vermont, and Virginia to 0.06% in Arkansas. (Note: Hospitalization may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)
• The rates of death among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 were even lower, effectively zero (0.00%) in all but two reporting states, Arkansas and Michigan where they were 0.01%. (Note: Deaths may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)

Kff.org

The numbers will start turning against the vaccinated as the population of unvaccinated gets thinner and thinner but we are still seeing the states that never had as severe of spikes in the first and second waves deal with the more transmissable delta variant. The alternative to real data is continuing to think every state, every hospital, every doctor is in on some great conspiracy to misreport covid cases. Coming up on 6B vaccinations with negligible side effects and proof that the vaccines are effective in your own states data and repeated with any states data you pull up.

Originally Posted by Aquaticus

Vaers isn't real data and is pure political theater. It has never been an acceptable source.

This is from a site that compiles data from every state in the US that reports:

• The hospitalization rate among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 ranged from effectively zero (0.00%) in California, Delaware, D.C., Indiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Vermont, and Virginia to 0.06% in Arkansas. (Note: Hospitalization may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)
• The rates of death among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 were even lower, effectively zero (0.00%) in all but two reporting states, Arkansas and Michigan where they were 0.01%. (Note: Deaths may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)

Kff.org

The numbers will start turning against the vaccinated as the population of unvaccinated gets thinner and thinner but we are still seeing the states that never had as severe of spikes in the first and second waves deal with the more transmissable delta variant. The alternative to real data is continuing to think every state, every hospital, every doctor is in on some great conspiracy to misreport covid cases. Coming up on 6B vaccinations with negligible side effects and proof that the vaccines are effective in your own states data and repeated with any states data you pull up.

Originally Posted by BoilerUP

I live in Indiana…here are our state stats as of Thursday 14 Oct.

Overwhelming majority of hospitalized breakthroughs are elderly.

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer

which, I believe, implies a 98.5% effective vaccine, in that it prevents infection of the vaccinated. That’s likely be better than most vaccines by a fair percentage.

Originally Posted by jacinth

Let me guess, you have never done any actual research for yourself.

Same viral load
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-v...-unvaccinated/
No correlation between vax rates and lower covid
https://link.springer.com/content/pd...21-00808-7.pdf
Total hospitalizations through April 2021
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...e-utilization/
UK data. Right two columns. Most cases are from the fully vaccinated. Lower age demographic is testing requirements for unvaxed school kids.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBljf1tW...jpg&name=large
Singapore 90% vax rate 550 day mask mandate.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBbdvD8W...name=4096x4096
Study on vaxed to vaxed spread
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3897733
Israeli hospital covid spread event vax failure.
https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/13/stud...ted-were-fine/
Mongolia case rate with vax rate
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBRcZhYX...jpg&name=large
Alaska
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBMxZbHX...name=4096x4096
Israel
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA3nSNkW...jpg&name=small
Wales
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAorn59V...name=4096x4096
Maine
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAogvgnU...name=4096x4096
New Brunswick
Https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBl0m8MX...name=4096x4096
Florida, no new policy interventions, no vaccine passports and no mask mandates.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBqqTFdV...name=4096x4096
Vermont
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAeIZnYV...name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAEbvy8V...name=4096x4096
"No Significant Difference in Viral Load Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated, Asymptomatic and Symptomatic Groups Infected with SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant"
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....28.21264262v1
6 southern states hospitalizations trend symmetrically regardless of interventions or vax rates.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_sW2X7V...jpg&name=large

Originally Posted by Nantonaku

The UK has a 70% vaccinated hospitalization rate but in the US it is effectively zero? You believe that? 40% of deaths in Israel are among the vaccinated but in the US it is effectively zero? How can you seriously believe this? Sorry, your post is ridiculous. No fact checking necessary, any sane person knows what you wrote isn't remotely close to being reality.

Originally Posted by jacinth

Wow. “The only legit link is the first one, the CBS news”. Lol. I won’t even respond to that, but you just ratted yourself out. Did you bother to look into the second link? It’s a Harvard research based study. You didn’t because “you don’t care”. “At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days. “In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.” “There also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated."

The 3rd link is exactly what it says total hospitalizations admissions. And no, up to that point they have been below pre pandemic levels. In the state of GA we have seen the same thing. Total hospitalizations have been range bound since May 2020. Doesn’t matter if covid peaks or valleys same amount have been in the hospital. The fourth link was just one example of many similar stories. The 5th link is again one story of many. The outbreak began from a vaccinated person, infected staff even with full PPE (which the data shows is useless) 8 fully vaxed people died. Of the two unvaxed they had a mild infection. They described the vaccines ability to prevent transmission as “useless”.

The rest of the links again your response rats you out. In other words you were too lazy to go in and plot the data sets yourself. Twitter is just where I hold some charts. The data has been verified. To blindly disregard something simply because it was from a Twitter storage is not favorable for you. Go plot the data. It’s publicly available. You will find it’s completely accurate. And I will say, those are just a small handful. It’s same story all over the world. Did you need to see some more examples?

To then throw out anti-vax labels because you can’t handle the truth of the current reality is again not favorable for you. It has nothing to do with a vaccine anyway. As you can see the injected can get infected with a high transmission potential with the same amount of viral load as anyone else. This is significant. If someone has immunity say from a natural infection this wouldn't happen because they actually have immunity unlike….
If your benefit wears away gradually after 4-6 months you don’t have immunity. You have a therapeutic. And while there are benefits of it, they are only personal to you. There is not a public benefit.