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05-22-2017 | 08:00 AM
#481
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I would guess they re-poat them on the next AE and hope for, in the words of Borat, "great success."
05-22-2017 | 08:02 AM
#482
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At that point they will look for offsite capacity and post a cleanup bid if available sim time can be located.
05-22-2017 | 08:03 AM
#483
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The result of reduced rewards is a perpetual bid larger than is needed to get the result they are looking for, rather than make the positions more attractive.
05-22-2017 | 08:08 AM
#484
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Actually it's not something they should have known nor is it a big concern. Until they know the exact mix of short verses long course pilots bidding into the 350 category they will not know how many crews they can train. The bid was posted using a high assumption for short course slots. If they don't get enough 330 guys bidding over they will reduce the awards.
At that point they will look for offsite capacity and post a cleanup bid if available sim time can be located.
At that point they will look for offsite capacity and post a cleanup bid if available sim time can be located.
05-22-2017 | 08:17 AM
#485
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Actually it's not something they should have known nor is it a big concern. Until they know the exact mix of short verses long course pilots bidding into the 350 category they will not know how many crews they can train. The bid was posted using a high assumption for short course slots. If they don't get enough 330 guys bidding over they will reduce the awards.
At that point they will look for offsite capacity and post a cleanup bid if available sim time can be located.
At that point they will look for offsite capacity and post a cleanup bid if available sim time can be located.
05-22-2017 | 08:22 AM
#486
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05-22-2017 | 08:36 AM
#487
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I get that but I don't want to see "new to Delta" pilots denied this opportunity at the discretion of the company. If they meet the FARs they should be awarded the position they bid. Contract compliance is a lot to ask, I realize.
The result of reduced rewards is a perpetual bid larger than is needed to get the result they are looking for, rather than make the positions more attractive.
The result of reduced rewards is a perpetual bid larger than is needed to get the result they are looking for, rather than make the positions more attractive.
05-22-2017 | 08:49 AM
#488
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The contra-argument is that the PWA does not require the company to offer unfilled positions to new hires. The PWA says "may" versus "shall." Unfilled Capt positions were probably beyond the realm of consideration when the PWA language was drafted which is why the current language only addresses unfilled FO positions.
Swapping, dropping and adding 4+ day trips is nearly impossible. Add the removal of open time for OE and the schedule has more value than the pay for FOs considering upgrade. Reap what you sow.
05-22-2017 | 09:06 AM
#489
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This is a huge part of it. The spastic "just in time" MBA trend of mandatory plane changes also plays a role. Looks good on paper, and that's all that matters.
05-22-2017 | 09:07 AM
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Yup, but they still need to attract pilots for these positions, internally then. More June - August vacation weeks, better trips, more schedule flexibility, and of course more pay would do it. Instead they attempt to limit sick usage and get rid of shorter trips that lend themselves to flexibility.
Swapping, dropping and adding 4+ day trips is nearly impossible. Add the removal of open time for OE and the schedule has more value than the pay for FOs considering upgrade. Reap what you sow.
Swapping, dropping and adding 4+ day trips is nearly impossible. Add the removal of open time for OE and the schedule has more value than the pay for FOs considering upgrade. Reap what you sow.
We'll have a better idea once the award is posted. Definitely interesting times, that's for sure. 😊
