Legacy Fleet Comparison
05-11-2017 | 03:32 PM
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Thanks folks. Lots of ways to skin this cat. With one methodology, UAL is the clear winner in wide bodies. Of course, other approaches will yield different results. I just added up active and ordered true wide bodies (ignored 757 and ignored retirement plans), primarily because I can't guarantee the pay methodologies will be similar across brands for the next two decades.
UAL: 26% widebody
DL: 17% widebody
AA: 15% widebody
UAL: 26% widebody
DL: 17% widebody
AA: 15% widebody
UAL domestic feed is 40% smaller than Delta's and AA, and that' not combined. That's kind of scary for UAL and sustaining international feed. And international markets are where the current cute throat competition is with subsidized airlines.
05-11-2017 | 03:49 PM
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Right on target. Those initial base 777's at UA are kind of useless especially if fuel goes up. I believe they were meant to replace dc10 (10 series) flying in the past. As for running 777 across the pond unless you are hauling a lot of cargo it is not plane for the mission.
Way too much plane for capacity and range (from eastern US gateways). I'm not DAL but the 767/332 and 333 are ideal for that. If you are going long range the 787 is hard to beat. Perhaps the 359 or 10 would be the best bet for longer heavier routes, but that is what the 777-200er and LR do hence delivery postponements. Bottom line with carriers right sizing their fleets you might not see a increase in WB flying for awhile IMO and hard to see who will have the most based on today's numbers.
Way too much plane for capacity and range (from eastern US gateways). I'm not DAL but the 767/332 and 333 are ideal for that. If you are going long range the 787 is hard to beat. Perhaps the 359 or 10 would be the best bet for longer heavier routes, but that is what the 777-200er and LR do hence delivery postponements. Bottom line with carriers right sizing their fleets you might not see a increase in WB flying for awhile IMO and hard to see who will have the most based on today's numbers.
05-11-2017 | 04:43 PM
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I know the original poster leaned toward long-haul type operations. But, considering the metrics we are talking about ($, profits, downturn, etc), they should consider SWA. 40+ consecutive quarters of profit. Paid a profit sharing check during both 9-11, and the 08-09 meltdown. Never declared bankruptcy, never furloughed a pilot. Great culture. Something to consider.
05-11-2017 | 09:12 PM
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Ten percent of captains at AA flying WB. That even includes group 3 flying that is both 757/767. generally on long haul we will fly either two or three FOs. Only our longest DFW HKG have two captains and two fo's. So while I am not positive about the WB % it seems sensible.
05-12-2017 | 05:20 AM
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I know the original poster leaned toward long-haul type operations. But, considering the metrics we are talking about ($, profits, downturn, etc), they should consider SWA. 40+ consecutive quarters of profit. Paid a profit sharing check during both 9-11, and the 08-09 meltdown. Never declared bankruptcy, never furloughed a pilot. Great culture. Something to consider.
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Other than that, you make great points.
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