MD-90 going bye-bye?
07-12-2017 | 01:22 PM
#193
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I am absolutely not saying good riddance to the older pilots. But the reality is that with every passing month dozens of that group retire. Given they could have controlled their fate on this topic last contract cycle, they have no one to blame other than themselves. That's why I always chuckle at those blaming the so-called 82% for TA2s passage. In reality, it should be the estimated 60% representing the deadzoner group.
I'm also tired of the newer guys of being accused of throwing the older guys under the bus. Management has to love the irony of people that weren't here during the decimation of retirements becoming the newest straw men. We weren't responsible for that so I think it's best you keep your anger pointed at management.
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I'm also tired of the newer guys of being accused of throwing the older guys under the bus. Management has to love the irony of people that weren't here during the decimation of retirements becoming the newest straw men. We weren't responsible for that so I think it's best you keep your anger pointed at management.
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07-12-2017 | 01:27 PM
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I agree that's where we're headed now. A complete package has to benefit the entire group. Active and retiree healthcare will be my biggest items going forward.
My resentment on the subject comes from the ones who are trying to blame the new guys for their lack of a retirement. As if we somehow owed them to vote down this last contract that didn't include retirement restoration. It's so backwards it's infuriating. As I alluded to above, the newer guys have become in the eyes of some scapegoats and convenient straw men.
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My resentment on the subject comes from the ones who are trying to blame the new guys for their lack of a retirement. As if we somehow owed them to vote down this last contract that didn't include retirement restoration. It's so backwards it's infuriating. As I alluded to above, the newer guys have become in the eyes of some scapegoats and convenient straw men.
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07-12-2017 | 01:43 PM
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I never thought I'd hear what I'm relaying but there exists an extreme faction willing to sell scope and screw the incoming generation if they don't get full restoration. It's sad really.
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07-12-2017 | 01:54 PM
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Well not me. I don't endorse any horse trading. DBs are an endangered species.
07-12-2017 | 02:03 PM
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It wasn't my intent to suggest you were apart of that group and I certainly wouldn't accuse every deadzoner of having those thoughts. It's good to know we've got some levelheaded players despite what you've been through.
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07-12-2017 | 04:54 PM
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I would love a 60% FAE pension but in 2005 DAL put a gun to our head via BK and said we are taking your pension - right or wrong we decided not to fight it.
Back then when every single DAL Pilot was affected the Delta Pilots just rolled over and approved LOA 51 or whatever LOA it was when we went through BK.
So if the DAL Pilots did not fight this fight back then when it was affecting all of us why do we expect a new hire with a sweet 401K to fight the fight that we did not?
What obligation do all post 2005 hire have to vote with us when we as a group did not fight it out then and there?
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Back then when every single DAL Pilot was affected the Delta Pilots just rolled over and approved LOA 51 or whatever LOA it was when we went through BK.
So if the DAL Pilots did not fight this fight back then when it was affecting all of us why do we expect a new hire with a sweet 401K to fight the fight that we did not?
What obligation do all post 2005 hire have to vote with us when we as a group did not fight it out then and there?
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07-12-2017 | 09:54 PM
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Some of those guys have some good ideas but they take them to the extreme and think we can get what we want by just demanding it. Unfortunately the RLA is stacked against labor. IMO they need to have more realistic view of what can be achieved in a reasonable amount of time. For Contract 2019, a lot will depend on the priorities we establish in the contract survey. Retirement medical will be at the top of my list.
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