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12-15-2017 | 12:33 PM
#102
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12-15-2017 | 04:41 PM
#103
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From: Kickin’ Back
Yes I was here when that happened. I thought it was a mistake to match the rates. Two thoughts, the ER rate was too low to begin with and that has never been addressed. Second, getting the rate to where it should be will be hard since the category flies far more 757 time than ER time. The ER rate is only $10 more than the 739, but $36 less than the 764. Do you really think it’s an appropriate wide body rate? IMHO it’s an appropriate rate for the 757, but the ER should pay $15-20 more.
What I’m so tired of hearing is the FALSE claim that the 757, 762, and 763 were NOT brought up to the 7ER rate. Like you claimed. If you were here, you know that is patently a false claim and it detracts from any further argument you make.
If you were around for that, then you were around when 738 and 777 payrates were negotiated. If I remember correctly, we have United to thank for the rates negotiated at the time. I will agree we, as a union, have not done a good job of negotiating the 7er pay rate (among others like the M88).
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12-15-2017 | 04:43 PM
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From: Kickin’ Back
Edit: I should say the item being discussed is the very specific question as to whether the payrates for the 757, 763, & 763 were brought up to the 7ER rates. If you weren’t here, I get how you might not understand how it went down. Don’t blame the playa, blame the game.
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12-15-2017 | 04:57 PM
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12-15-2017 | 07:55 PM
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12-15-2017 | 09:17 PM
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I am not arguing about any of what you say above. As a matter of fact, if you reread my last sentence, you should have the answer to your question.
What I’m so tired of hearing is the FALSE claim that the 757, 762, and 763 were NOT brought up to the 7ER rate. Like you claimed. If you were here, you know that is patently a false claim and it detracts from any further argument you make.
If you were around for that, then you were around when 738 and 777 payrates were negotiated. If I remember correctly, we have United to thank for the rates negotiated at the time. I will agree we, as a union, have not done a good job of negotiating the 7er pay rate (among others like the M88).
Denny
What I’m so tired of hearing is the FALSE claim that the 757, 762, and 763 were NOT brought up to the 7ER rate. Like you claimed. If you were here, you know that is patently a false claim and it detracts from any further argument you make.
If you were around for that, then you were around when 738 and 777 payrates were negotiated. If I remember correctly, we have United to thank for the rates negotiated at the time. I will agree we, as a union, have not done a good job of negotiating the 7er pay rate (among others like the M88).
Denny
12-15-2017 | 10:48 PM
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From: Kickin’ Back
Do you think when the payrates were harmonized into one that the 7ER rate was lowered? Rhetorical question. It wasn’t. Tell me, where is there a chance for an opinion here? I don’t see it.
Denny
Edit: Whoops, I did say “opinion” in my previous post. What I really meant was if you weren’t here and living thru it, you probably don’t know what happened (and probably didn’t care) in as great a depth as someone who was an active pilot on the list then.
12-15-2017 | 10:50 PM
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From: Kickin’ Back
Almost. Company wanted 777 really bad, and union said $300 per hour. Company laughed, a year later we signed 777 at 300 an hour. Then UAL took that number and applied it to their 1999 contract all the way down to their 737. We in turn for contract 2k asked for UAL +1% and we got it. Contract 2000 UAL +1% was with Malone.
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