100 321 NEO Order
12-16-2017 | 02:39 AM
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Almost. Company wanted 777 really bad, and union said $300 per hour. Company laughed, a year later we signed 777 at 300 an hour. Then UAL took that number and applied it to their 1999 contract all the way down to their 737. We in turn for contract 2k asked for UAL +1% and we got it. Contract 2000 UAL +1% was with Malone.
Believe it or not there was wailing and gnashing of teeth from the usual "We've been had!" crowd.
The rest of your narrative is correct.
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12-16-2017 | 02:44 AM
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No, it’s not an opinion. What don’t you get? It is a fact that the payrates for the 757, 762, and 763 were raised to the payrate of the 7ER. It really is as simple as that.
Do you think when the payrates were harmonized into one that the 7ER rate was lowered? Rhetorical question. It wasn’t. Tell me, where is there a chance for an opinion here? I don’t see it.
Denny
Edit: Whoops, I did say “opinion” in my previous post. What I really meant was if you weren’t here and living thru it, you probably don’t know what happened (and probably didn’t care) in as great a depth as someone who was an active pilot on the list then.
Do you think when the payrates were harmonized into one that the 7ER rate was lowered? Rhetorical question. It wasn’t. Tell me, where is there a chance for an opinion here? I don’t see it.
Denny
Edit: Whoops, I did say “opinion” in my previous post. What I really meant was if you weren’t here and living thru it, you probably don’t know what happened (and probably didn’t care) in as great a depth as someone who was an active pilot on the list then.
12-16-2017 | 04:24 AM
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Almost. Company wanted 777 really bad, and union said $300 per hour. Company laughed, a year later we signed 777 at 300 an hour. Then UAL took that number and applied it to their 1999 contract all the way down to their 737. We in turn for contract 2k asked for UAL +1% and we got it. Contract 2000 UAL +1% was with Malone.
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12-16-2017 | 05:47 AM
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Almost. Company wanted 777 really bad, and union said $300 per hour. Company laughed, a year later we signed 777 at 300 an hour. Then UAL took that number and applied it to their 1999 contract all the way down to their 737. We in turn for contract 2k asked for UAL +1% and we got it. Contract 2000 UAL +1% was with Malone.
Yep - the United guys called that the "Delta Dot" since on a pay rate graph it was all by itself way above the curve.
This started the successful but short lived pay rates of 2000 for UAL and DAL. Unfortunately for AMR they never quite made it there since they were in negotiations when 9-11 hit.
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12-16-2017 | 06:19 AM
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Almost. Company wanted 777 really bad, and union said $300 per hour. Company laughed, a year later we signed 777 at 300 an hour. Then UAL took that number and applied it to their 1999 contract all the way down to their 737. We in turn for contract 2k asked for UAL +1% and we got it. Contract 2000 UAL +1% was with Malone.
12-16-2017 | 07:31 PM
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The A321 can be stretched to cover the MOM segment, with the engine that Delta is now the MRO for. Neither a reissued 757 or 737 can meet takeoff certification requirements, without sacrificing fuel economy in this market, thus requiring a entirely new designed 797. I don't know if it makes financial sense for Delta to buy the 797, when these 100 options can be converted to an A321neo stretch with the volume discount. Obviously, more than just 75 Cseries are coming as well, so it's going to be all Airbii for a while.
Also, before the merger, I was working on the 787 Goldcare MRO at NWA, which Boeing screwed Delta out of. I don't think we will ever see the 787 in Delta colors for that reason.
Also, before the merger, I was working on the 787 Goldcare MRO at NWA, which Boeing screwed Delta out of. I don't think we will ever see the 787 in Delta colors for that reason.
12-16-2017 | 07:35 PM
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I just noticed on the (flimsy) artists rendering on Airbus' release that the 321NEO is in the new space-flex layout. Doors 2L/R are removed; 2 overwing exits are used and a smaller door 3L/R inserted - so technically you can have a layout that goes from 1L/R uninterrupted to 4L/R.
Can't you just see marketing do that? I know the planned layout is 197 but you'd have to assume there's a lav or 2 at 3L/R and maybe for our FA friends somewhere to put away the trash (see the 32K) in the space-flex galleys.
Can't you just see marketing do that? I know the planned layout is 197 but you'd have to assume there's a lav or 2 at 3L/R and maybe for our FA friends somewhere to put away the trash (see the 32K) in the space-flex galleys.
12-16-2017 | 08:31 PM
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Yep - the United guys called that the "Delta Dot" since on a pay rate graph it was all by itself way above the curve.
This started the successful but short lived pay rates of 2000 for UAL and DAL. Unfortunately for AMR they never quite made it there since they were in negotiations when 9-11 hit.
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This started the successful but short lived pay rates of 2000 for UAL and DAL. Unfortunately for AMR they never quite made it there since they were in negotiations when 9-11 hit.
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12-17-2017 | 01:50 AM
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No the ER rate was not lowered. But that’s not the point anymore. However we got to the current rate, ER pay is too low relative to the other widebodies.
12-17-2017 | 07:15 AM
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