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01-16-2018 | 06:02 PM

#161

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Originally Posted by Danger Close

Airbus has produced double bogey A320s in the past, I’m not sure the penalties. All of these aspects combined could be a 757 replacement.

AIR INDIA had a few copies of those double bogie A320s. I believe intended use on rough/unimproved runway and taxiway surfaces and the relative load bearing capabilities necessitated the option, however as I remember it, a not so insignificant weight penalty applied as you alluded to.

New wings, a bit of a[737MAX9 to 737MAX10] stretch and possibly new gear, then you really have a 757 replacement and incidentally also the A321 NEO plus plus, which apparently is really a thing..on paper...

01-17-2018 | 02:59 AM

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So are Delta's going to be ETOPS? I see this replacing the 757 for thinner Europe routes. That may require Delta One, which may lead to these doing premium transcons.

01-17-2018 | 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Actually, he wasn't. Had a discussion with the bus folks a couple months ago and they described the start up process identically. You probably misread (the usual)... the operative portion is "up to."

We're running ATL-LAX now with them with no performance issues... more power and going a lot farther on the same fuel would help, wouldn't it?

I was referring to the thrust. They don’t make 35k. Depending on type for the 321NEO they are 32,000 to 33,100. The 757’S used across the pound have between 37,500 and 43,000 depending on variant.

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01-17-2018 | 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

35,000 is what the engine manufacturer says...

https://www.safran-aircraft-engines.com/commercial-engines/single-aisle-commercial-jets/leap/leap-1a

The a321neo also has a oew 16k-20k lbs less than 752.

01-17-2018 | 05:58 AM

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35,000 is what the engine manufacturer says...

https://www.safran-aircraft-engines....s/leap/leap-1a

The a321neo also has a oew 16k-20k lbs less than 752.

Even with the weight difference the 757 trounces it on actual performance of short runways or in hot conditions. There is only so much you can do with a 117 foot wing and single axle trucks. I got bumped last week jumpseating on a A321 CEO for weight flying CLT to LAX with good weather. Took 20 paying passengers off also.
It’s amazing that 30 years later nothing matches the 757 in all around performance.

01-17-2018 | 06:29 AM

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Im guessing the 738 wuda gone out full and made the leg ok.

But its only a 160seat airframe. So maybe more frequency smaller airframes is good for a pilot list?

I wud be curious if the wgt limit issue was driven by fuel for winds. Togw ratow limits. Or cargo payload offsets.

Clt-lax is one of the legs piedmonts 727s had problems with. The 767 buy fixed that.

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01-17-2018 | 07:11 AM

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Im guessing the 738 wuda gone out full and made the leg ok.

But its only a 160seat airframe. So maybe more frequency smaller airframes is good for a pilot list?

Never made it onboard so don’t know the reason. I did tell the CA I was trying to jumpseat and she just shrugged her shoulders and walked down the jetway.

01-17-2018 | 07:16 AM

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I got bumped last week jumpseating on a A321 CEO for weight flying CLT to LAX...

Sorry to derail the thread but why did you get bumped? JS doesn't count against load. I've ran into this a few times and I was always able to stay on.

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Never made it onboard so don’t know the reason. I did tell the CA I was trying to jumpseat and she just shrugged her shoulders and walked down the jetway.

I'm guessing she just didn't know the caveat.

01-17-2018 | 07:17 AM

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Bummer.......

01-17-2018 | 07:19 AM

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Sorry to derail the thread but why did you get bumped? JS doesn't count against load. I've ran into this a few times and I was always able to stay on.

I'm guessing she just didn't know the caveat.

If it’s another airline employee I think the FOM was revised to say they can’t be included in weight