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80ktsClamp 01-21-2018 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2507776)
They are limited to 15 knots on straight always and slower in turns. I believe it’s 5 knots. What does seem strange is I don’t believe Delta has the same restrictions.
A dual truck aircraft can have amazing abort performance. A Delta 757 departing SNA aborted after rotation past V1 and stopped on the runway. Not bad for 5700 feet!

Their aircraft have a max takeoff weight of 206,000 lbs, while ours are 196.

No doubt about dual truck aircraft having amazing stopping and abort performance. Given the nose wheel just coming off the ground, I'd be willing to bet most carbon fiber equipped aircraft could have pulled off the SNA feat, actually!

The 321 has quite amazing stopping performance for an aircraft its size with single truck was the point, though... you're hanging in the straps with MED auto brakes engaged on landing, and that is a LOT less than max.

forgot to bid 01-21-2018 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2507846)

The 321 has quite amazing stopping performance for an aircraft its size with single truck was the point, though... you're hanging in the straps with MED auto brakes engaged on landing, and that is a LOT less than max.

The goal post moved again. Now you have to compare aborts after V1 to a stop... evidently tire damage not a factor.

Bainite 01-21-2018 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2507850)
The goal post moved again. Now you have to compare aborts after V1 to a stop... evidently tire damage not a factor.

Well Jet Blue landed at SMF and stopped 2000' past the touchdown point. Airbus wins! http://avherald.com/h?article=43023647/0001

80ktsClamp 01-21-2018 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Bainite (Post 2507886)
Well Jet Blue landed at SMF and stopped 2000' past the touchdown point. Airbus wins! Accident: Jetblue A320 at Sacramento on Aug 26th 2010, brake fire on landing

That wasn't an abort so it doesn't count. :D

#sailingfunthoughts

BobZ 01-21-2018 09:15 AM

There is always a better moustrap being developed...:)


HwkrPlt 01-21-2018 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2507825)
They hit a large flock of seagulls. One engine quit and the other engine was destroyed and would not have made it around the pattern. The nose wheel was off the ground when tha abort was initiated.

Got a link?

gloopy 01-21-2018 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2507651)
Pratt has a new GTF engine coming out in 2020, and if Airbus does the work, with a new wing, and new materials in key areas, they could exceed the 757. The technology is mature enough to get there, where it wasn't just a few years ago, and by all indication, Airbus is already working on doing that.

So assuming the new engine is ready on time (and doesn't have big time issues) then they can redo the wing in theory. That sounds like it will take a while as I doubt they have much interest in doing a Newer NEO already.

Mesabah 01-21-2018 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2507944)
So assuming the new engine is ready on time (and doesn't have big time issues) then they can redo the wing in theory. That sounds like it will take a while as I doubt they have much interest in doing a Newer NEO already.

I doubt it, the new stuff is not really new, it just refined GTF engines. Pratt also has an Ultra High Bypass GTF coming out for larger planes. Maybe we even see a shorter A330 with that engine.



The MoM jet is so hard to engineer, either you having braking issues as sailing is "describing", or the airplane can't get to V2 on a single engine.

forgot to bid 01-21-2018 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2507892)
That wasn't an abort so it doesn't count. :D

#sailingfunthoughts

What kind of crashes count to show better performance?

forgot to bid 01-21-2018 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2508075)
I doubt it, the new stuff is not really new, it just refined GTF engines. Pratt also has an Ultra High Bypass GTF coming out for larger planes. Maybe we even see a shorter A330 with that engine.



The MoM jet is so hard to engineer, either you having braking issues as sailing is "describing", or the airplane can't get to V2 on a single engine.

The first thing they need to figure out is how not to call it the Mom jet.


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