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forgot to bid 01-20-2018 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2507651)
Pratt has a new GTF engine coming out in 2020, and if Airbus does the work, with a new wing, and new materials in key areas, they could exceed the 757. The technology is mature enough to get there, where it wasn't just a few years ago, and by all indication, Airbus is already working on doing that.

The 322 was in one of our presentations or newsletter.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/nw42.jpg

Btw, the current 321 breaking is awesome as is before you even consider brake fans

Mesabah 01-20-2018 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2507668)
The 322 was in one of our presentations or newsletter.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/nw42.jpg

Btw, the current 321 breaking is awesome as is before you even consider brake fans

I think, you could, using the materials from the A350 for the wing box, wing, and landing gear, make the weight requirements to keep the single landing gear. This would require very little investment by Airbus to develop.

If you went with this airplane, and some additional A330s, you could dump the 767 and the 757. The MoM plane is not needed unless the cargo requirement is essential.

80ktsClamp 01-20-2018 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2507668)
The 322 was in one of our presentations or newsletter.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/nw42.jpg

Btw, the current 321 breaking is awesome as is before you even consider brake fans

Door 2 needs to be moved forward a few feet... and you're exactly right about 321 braking. She gets it done always with plenty of room near max landing weight in DCA.

sailingfun 01-21-2018 12:15 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2507675)
Door 2 needs to be moved forward a few feet... and you're exactly right about 321 braking. She gets it done always with plenty of room near max landing weight in DCA.

The issue with a single axle truck from a performance standpoint has nothing to do with landing. It’s a abort at V1 where it comes into play limiting takeoff performance.
Airlines that don’t need that performance much prefer a single axle truck for lower maintenance expenses. The other issue is load bearing. Due to the footprint AA’s 321’s are limited to 15 knots taxi speed at LGA. They were damaging the taxiways in turns.

BigHitterLlama 01-21-2018 03:10 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2507686)
The issue with a single axle truck from a performance standpoint has nothing to do with landing. It’s a abort at V1 where it comes into play limiting takeoff performance.
Airlines that don’t need that performance much prefer a single axle truck for lower maintenance expenses. The other issue is load bearing. Due to the footprint AA’s 321’s are limited to 15 knots taxi speed at LGA. They were damaging the taxiways in turns.

They should get a bonus for helping with the reconstruction...

forgot to bid 01-21-2018 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2507670)
This would require very little investment by Airbus to develop.

So Boeing would have too do a full blown development and Airbus can wait and see and then launch this?

Or just launch it.

I guess it's a good position to be in.

80ktsClamp 01-21-2018 04:14 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2507686)
The issue with a single axle truck from a performance standpoint has nothing to do with landing. It’s a abort at V1 where it comes into play limiting takeoff performance.
Airlines that don’t need that performance much prefer a single axle truck for lower maintenance expenses. The other issue is load bearing. Due to the footprint AA’s 321’s are limited to 15 knots taxi speed at LGA. They were damaging the taxiways in turns.

You speak so much about which you know so little...

The brakes on the 321 GO. Plain and simple.

You shouldn’t be doing more than 15 knots in the turns at LGA anyways... esp if WN is behind you. 😬 It’s not comfortable for the pax, seriously. 10 knots for 90 degree turns is supposed to be the speed through a 90 in all aircraft models at Delta.

sailingfun 01-21-2018 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2507715)
You speak so much about which you know so little...

The brakes on the 321 GO. Plain and simple.

You shouldn’t be doing more than 15 knots in the turns at LGA anyways... esp if WN is behind you. �� It’s not comfortable for the pax, seriously. 10 knots for 90 degree turns is supposed to be the speed through a 90 in all aircraft models at Delta.

They are limited to 15 knots on straight always and slower in turns. I believe it’s 5 knots. What does seem strange is I don’t believe Delta has the same restrictions.
A dual truck aircraft can have amazing abort performance. A Delta 757 departing SNA aborted after rotation past V1 and stopped on the runway. Not bad for 5700 feet!

RJDio 01-21-2018 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2507776)
A Delta 757 departing SNA aborted after rotation past V1 and stopped on the runway. Not bad for 5700 feet!

Unless the wings fell off and it became a projectile, why would anyone in they're right mind abort past v1 in Orange County? Am I missing the facetiousness in this back and forth?

sailingfun 01-21-2018 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 2507821)
Unless the wings fell off and it became a projectile, why would anyone in they're right mind abort past v1 in Orange County? Am I missing the facetiousness in this back and forth?

They hit a large flock of seagulls. One engine quit and the other engine was destroyed and would not have made it around the pattern. The nose wheel was off the ground when tha abort was initiated.


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