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Schwanker 01-17-2018 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Bleeds On (Post 2504805)
Sorry to derail the thread but why did you get bumped? JS doesn't count against load. I've ran into this a few times and I was always able to stay on.



I'm guessing she just didn't know the caveat.

AMR flight maybe...

Bleeds On 01-17-2018 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 2504809)
AMR flight maybe...

Yeah, CLT. You're probably right. I was thinking the JS was baked into the empty weight and thus why it didn't count. I've been wrong before.

BobZ 01-17-2018 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 2504809)
AMR flight maybe...

Most likely its the same 727 piedmont-usair-awa-amr service.....30 years on. :)

80ktsClamp 01-17-2018 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2504733)
Even with the weight difference the 757 trounces it on actual performance of short runways or in hot conditions. There is only so much you can do with a 117 foot wing and single axle trucks. I got bumped last week jumpseating on a A321 CEO for weight flying CLT to LAX with good weather. Took 20 paying passengers off also.
It’s amazing that 30 years later nothing matches the 757 in all around performance.

You appear to have a continued problem in admitting you are wrong. Now you’re doubling down on the single axle truck thing and refuse to acknowledge you were wrong on the thrust and start up.

The AA 321s are mostly legacy US aircraft with lower thrust engines without the sharklets, thus the weight restriction. Ours do not have those issues.

vyperdriver 01-17-2018 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by Viking busdvr (Post 2504343)
ALPA= “what are you willing to give up for that?”

Yep!:cool:

forgot to bid 01-17-2018 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2504733)
Even with the weight difference the 757 trounces it on actual performance of short runways or in hot conditions. There is only so much you can do with a 117 foot wing and single axle trucks. I got bumped last week jumpseating on a A321 CEO for weight flying CLT to LAX with good weather. Took 20 paying passengers off also.
It’s amazing that 30 years later nothing matches the 757 in all around performance.

Well, considering they only sold about 1000 757s and 3700 A321s and the Neo is just getting started. .. I think you can say that the 757 doesn't hold a candle to the 321s where it matters.

forgot to bid 01-17-2018 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2504873)
You appear to have a continued problem in admitting you are wrong. Now you’re doubling down on the single axle truck thing and refuse to acknowledge you were wrong on the thrust and start up.

The AA 321s are mostly legacy US aircraft with lower thrust engines without the sharklets, thus the weight restriction. Ours do not have those issues.

I've never had a js issue, and none on these 321 atl to lax or San flights I'm doing.

BobZ 01-17-2018 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2504901)
Well, considering they only sold about 1000 757s and 2800 A321s and the Neo is just getting started. .. I think you can say that the 757 doesn't hold a candle to the 321s where it matters.

It is an entertaining thought to calculate what a 757 with a mature 40Klb thrust gtf could be capable of doing. :)

gloopy 01-17-2018 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2504648)
So are Delta's going to be ETOPS? I see this replacing the 757 for thinner Europe routes. That may require Delta One, which may lead to these doing premium transcons.

That actually makes a lot of sense. JB's "mint" will need an already priced in hard competitor we can deploy at will.

gloopy 01-17-2018 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2504909)
It is an entertaining thought to calculate what a 757 with a mature 40Klb thrust gtf could be capable of doing. :)

LOL and it probably would be "better" from a performance standpoint. But at what cost? We like climb perf. Airlines only care about it to the extremely limited extent that the lack of it actually prohibits you from doing a market. That's rare and that's the extent of it. If a GTF 757 made the amount of sense plane loving pilots wish it would they'd build it.


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