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sailingfun 01-17-2018 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2504873)
You appear to have a continued problem in admitting you are wrong. Now you’re doubling down on the single axle truck thing and refuse to acknowledge you were wrong on the thrust and start up.

The AA 321s are mostly legacy US aircraft with lower thrust engines without the sharklets, thus the weight restriction. Ours do not have those issues.

Do you honestly believe the A321neo will have the performance of the 757? Take a look at the approach speeds as a starter. It’s not going to be as capable. It will however be vastly cheaper to operate.

sailingfun 01-17-2018 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2504909)
It is an entertaining thought to calculate what a 757 with a mature 40Klb thrust gtf could be capable of doing. :)

No one currently makes a gearbox that can take that kind of thrust. I am sure one is coming soon but we are not there yet.

BobZ 01-17-2018 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2504974)
LOL and it probably would be "better" from a performance standpoint. But at what cost? We like climb perf. Airlines only care about it to the extremely limited extent that the lack of it actually prohibits you from doing a market. That's rare and that's the extent of it. If a GTF 757 made the amount of sense plane loving pilots wish it would they'd build it.

Yup....its entertaining in the same of way my winning the lotto and buying a Ford gt40 with a Gurney blister

Pogey Bait 01-17-2018 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2504873)
You appear to have a continued problem in admitting you are wrong. Now you’re doubling down on the single axle truck thing and refuse to acknowledge you were wrong on the thrust and start up.

The AA 321s are mostly legacy US aircraft with lower thrust engines without the sharklets, thus the weight restriction. Ours do not have those issues.


Keep in mind also that the 321 NEO’s brake system is not that of the 321 CEO. It is an entirely new revamped system and works quite well, this has always been a lackluster system on the CEO. I have landed several times in DCA with the 321 NEO and have never even seen the temps in the orange, this is without brake fans even being on. Its an awesome machine, the NEO will climb right up to 350 with 185 passengers on a transcon and the burn between 2700-2800 Lbs/h per side at cruise. It is so quite that you could go without a headset the entire flight from takeoff to touchdown. We operate the LEAP 1 engine and have been told that it can take up to 5 minuets to start the engine. I have never experienced this, however it does do a lot more motoring though, start times range from 1-3 minuets or so I would say. I wish the “new Alaskan Airways” would get their heads out somewhere and place an order like you guys did. What type engines are you getting with your order?

747Flyer 01-17-2018 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by Pogey Bait (Post 2505050)
What type engines are you getting with your order?

Pratt GTFs

R57 relay 01-17-2018 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2504873)
You appear to have a continued problem in admitting you are wrong. Now you’re doubling down on the single axle truck thing and refuse to acknowledge you were wrong on the thrust and start up.

The AA 321s are mostly legacy US aircraft with lower thrust engines without the sharklets, thus the weight restriction. Ours do not have those issues.

I've been flying the bus at US and AA for 15 years and don't ever remember taking a weight hit like that, especially to LA. Got a flight number and date?

Navmode 01-17-2018 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Pogey Bait (Post 2505050)
Keep in mind also that the 321 NEO’s brake system is not that of the 321 CEO. It is an entirely new revamped system and works quite well, this has always been a lackluster system on the CEO. I have landed several times in DCA with the 321 NEO and have never even seen the temps in the orange, this is without brake fans even being on. Its an awesome machine, the NEO will climb right up to 350 with 185 passengers on a transcon and the burn between 2700-2800 Lbs/h per side at cruise. It is so quite that you could go without a headset the entire flight from takeoff to touchdown. We operate the LEAP 1 engine and have been told that it can take up to 5 minuets to start the engine. I have never experienced this, however it does do a lot more motoring though, start times range from 1-3 minuets or so I would say. I wish the “new Alaskan Airways” would get their heads out somewhere and place an order like you guys did. What type engines are you getting with your order?

I don’t know much about the pw gtf engines, but I’ve definitely seen close to 5minutes to start the leap 1-a on a quick turn on a warm day.

sailingfun 01-17-2018 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by r57 relay (Post 2505071)
i've been flying the bus at us and aa for 15 years and don't ever remember taking a weight hit like that, especially to la. Got a flight number and date?

aa1876 05jan

BobZ 01-17-2018 07:00 PM

Maybe it had an mco?

R57 relay 01-18-2018 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2505370)
aa1876 05jan

I guess it's too far back to pull up the flight plan. I'd like to see the reason.

In the last year or so I've seen some strange weight restrictions. The 321 sometimes runs into balance issues with lighter loads, and the load system doesn't allow a restriction for balance(didn't, I haven't seen it in a while), so the load planner would put a weight restriction on it instead. I've had to intervene to let folks know we really didn't have an issue. I recently had a restriction eastbound because the dispatcher was planning way too much fuel.

We rarely have a weight issue on the 321 transcon from CLT. The 320 is the one we have issues with. Sorry you had a problem.

But back to your initial point-the 321 is no 757. It does a lot of what the 757 can do, and much cheaper, but there are compromises. I say that it has a great smooth ride detector, it always seems to be 500' above recommended max alt!


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