Get rid of Virtual Basing!
02-08-2018, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
Would the company like international VB? How are they going to get one ?
They won’t get it in the next contract just by asking for it nor does this test set any precident in the next contract. As I have mentioned much ado about nothing. VB’s will die a natural death.
02-08-2018, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
And I would disagree with that. Its been my experience that most green slips are awarded during the morning of the the day prior. Yes there are exceptions to that for popup trips but to make a blanket statement that 80% cannot get a GS because they commute is wrong.
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The greenslip system is designed to benefit the very senior. The only way to short circuit that is to live in a highly commuted to base, and then you will get the short notice GSs. In a purely international category, skeds usually has the advance warning to be able to cover the vast majority of GSs the day prior because that's when the crew shortage occurs rather than short notice like domestic. Jmo, but in watching my category the last 18 years that is seemingly the way it is.
02-08-2018, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
I could make the argument that greenslips only benefit those that live in base. The something like 80% of NY based pilots have little shot at greenslips because they don't live there.
02-08-2018, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
If I were management and wanted more point to point international service from mid sized cities like IND and AUS and felt pilot costs would be excessive I would do as has been done in the past with the carrot approach. A signed order as a example for 30 787’s contingent on VB’s for ocean crossing. Perhaps 1 VB base for each 3 airframes delivered.
They won’t get it in the next contract just by asking for it nor does this test set any precident in the next contract. As I have mentioned much ado about nothing. VB’s will die a natural death.
They won’t get it in the next contract just by asking for it nor does this test set any precident in the next contract. As I have mentioned much ado about nothing. VB’s will die a natural death.
02-08-2018, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I tend to agree with you here. IMO the bigger problem is Temporary Duty. THIS will do more to cut down on green slips and manning than anything I can think of........ It's like allowing a VB in an existing base......something the Union has not allowed in the VB LOA.
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02-08-2018, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The pilot who had 234 hours last month living in FL might disagree with you! Probably a majority of international GS’s in NYC are assigned the day prior or early the day off.
And was he/she really 'living' in Florida?
02-08-2018, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
My understanding of TDY is that it has far better received (by the pilot group) at airlines that have them than VBs. PS travel to/from, plus a hotel at company expense. It is all in the details.
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02-08-2018, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Well, I see it as giving the company the flexibility to "right size" every base every month for a few hotel rooms. I don't like it...
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02-08-2018, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
I'd rather see us protect international domicile flying for those that are based there. If it originates in a domicile, and there is a category there that flies it, those pilots should be doing that flying. Flights that originate out of a domicile are up for grabs.
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02-08-2018, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
VB’s will die a natural death.
Whose term sheet was the VB first on?
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