Get rid of Virtual Basing!
02-08-2018 | 10:32 AM
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For the most part, all Temporary Duty allows is for guys, who live in a base but cannot hold it on the equipment they are on, to not have to commute on a month to month basis. Before I get jumped on, notice I said "For the most part." There will always be exceptions.
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My experience with TDYs is that senior pilots would bid it to get the per diem and hotels. The big change here though is that they'd have to give up all their seniority so I imagine it'd go more junior. TDYs generally go to commuters who don't live in a base period.
02-08-2018 | 10:52 AM
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What is this bizarro world? VB and TD are productivity and flexibility tools FOR THE COMPANY. I'm a big fan of this company, our product, and our pilots. And yes these things could benefit some pilots (myself included!). But I am NOT for reducing staffing requirements. Less pilots means less seniority for ALL.
Just open a real base or find a different solution that is actually win-win.
Just open a real base or find a different solution that is actually win-win.
02-08-2018 | 12:08 PM
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I can think of plenty "bad" but no "good" for the pilot group. Plenty of good for the company though, with no bad.
02-08-2018 | 12:58 PM
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A true "win win." Of course we can turn that story on its head with a different twist and make it a "lose lose."
Devil is in the details, of which I'm skeptical.
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02-08-2018 | 03:15 PM
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02-08-2018 | 05:24 PM
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TDY is much more expensive than a based pilot.
Why? The only added cost I can see is a hotel room. What else is there expense wise that costs so much?
And if they are all coming below you in your base it is making more pairings available for your bidding with more pilots junior to you as well.
They will come in below the most junior in base pilot. How is it making more pairings available to bid? I foresee just the opposite. IMO the company will invoke TDY when they anticipate handing out a lot of green slips in a category thereby reducing green slips. With TDY they can adjust a category on a monthly basis. Heck, they could just grow ATL and TDY to category's they need too.
An alternative is to just build pairings that go through your base instead of originating there. So you still don't get the flying. With TDY and the TDY pilots going to the bottom of the list you'd end up with a better schedule than with flights not being available for your bid at all.
See above. You seem to think TDY pilots coming in base means more time in base. I don't.
It sounds like your biggest concern would be alleviated simply by restricting the amount of time that a TDY could be conducted, such as a maximum of 3 months.
Having worked somewhere previously that allowed TDY, it's not used how you seem to think.
Why? The only added cost I can see is a hotel room. What else is there expense wise that costs so much?
And if they are all coming below you in your base it is making more pairings available for your bidding with more pilots junior to you as well.
They will come in below the most junior in base pilot. How is it making more pairings available to bid? I foresee just the opposite. IMO the company will invoke TDY when they anticipate handing out a lot of green slips in a category thereby reducing green slips. With TDY they can adjust a category on a monthly basis. Heck, they could just grow ATL and TDY to category's they need too.
An alternative is to just build pairings that go through your base instead of originating there. So you still don't get the flying. With TDY and the TDY pilots going to the bottom of the list you'd end up with a better schedule than with flights not being available for your bid at all.
See above. You seem to think TDY pilots coming in base means more time in base. I don't.
It sounds like your biggest concern would be alleviated simply by restricting the amount of time that a TDY could be conducted, such as a maximum of 3 months.
Having worked somewhere previously that allowed TDY, it's not used how you seem to think.
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02-08-2018 | 05:28 PM
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I can think of one hypothetical positive (but purely that). What if the pilots in a VB (MCO 7ER for example, restricted to non ocean crossings per the contract) are senior commuters? Now the same guys currently flying sweet 3 day Europe trips might rather drive to work to fly a so so domestic. Thus the junior guys living in base are more senior and the VB guys can drive to work.
A true "win win." Of course we can turn that story on its head with a different twist and make it a "lose lose."
Devil is in the details, of which I'm skeptical.
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A true "win win." Of course we can turn that story on its head with a different twist and make it a "lose lose."
Devil is in the details, of which I'm skeptical.
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02-08-2018 | 05:29 PM
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02-08-2018 | 05:30 PM
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What is this bizarro world? VB and TD are productivity and flexibility tools FOR THE COMPANY. I'm a big fan of this company, our product, and our pilots. And yes these things could benefit some pilots (myself included!). But I am NOT for reducing staffing requirements. Less pilots means less seniority for ALL.
Just open a real base or find a different solution that is actually win-win.
Just open a real base or find a different solution that is actually win-win.
Denny
02-08-2018 | 08:16 PM
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I know at least 1 guy flying my airplane that commutes across country to DTW. And he's just waiting till he can bid in to the base. I'm guessing there are quite a few more when you consider all the categories in my base (SEA). Are you trying to tell me they won't bid TDY to not commute? Come on......
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