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Old 10-25-2018 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
so let's assume there are 15 pilots a day on short call, with this change it requires more pilots per day to be on short call and because of that you will sit more short calls than you have been if you weren't already maxing them out. Again, the scheduling committee has said this is a win for the company in terms of productivity gains. Instant gratification for the pilot sure, but overall not a win.
If they couldn't really use you after 9 hrs anyway it doesn't require more pilots per day...
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Old 10-25-2018 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
If they couldn't really use you after 9 hrs anyway it doesn't require more pilots per day...
Seems obvious but some don’t get it.
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Old 10-25-2018 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal
It is 100% to get reserves available earlier in the day. Example:



Day 1 current system: SC from 10am to 10PM. Not used.

Day 2: SC 8AM to 8PM.





Day 1 New System: SC from 10am to 7PM. Not used.

Day 2: SC: 5AM to 2PM.



It shifts our availability which is especially great for covering early reports during IROPS, overnight sickouts, etc.



I'm not suggesting this is a BAD thing. In fact, it increases operational reliability. If it allows guys to get home earlier thats a plus.


They can and do this today by calling and releasing you early.
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Old 10-25-2018 | 06:19 PM
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Sample size of me, but I have been shortcalled more than usual this month. Usually get 1 or 2. I'm at 3.

And I've not ONCE been called out on a short call that wasn't a legal long call. Never.

Example. Tomorrow (26) is first day of a 7 day reserve block.
10am or so I check MiCrew seeing if anything is in open time I want to yellow slip.

Short call. Again. 1000-1900 on the 26th.
Get crap. Get to NYC.
I can long call at home but usually commute up first flight to NY on first day, and yellow slip when I get to NYC.
Now assigned a 3 day trip, signing in at 1805 on the 26th. No reason for me to come in tonight.

Last reserve block.
Get 1000-2200 SC posted in MiCrew day before. Get stuff, go to NYC.
Land in NYC. 5 day leaving late next day (LC legal trip with plenty of time to spare)
Do a 5 day. Get released for DRST after landing. After 30 hours, I have four hours of availability, going into Mil Leave.

They short call me 0900-1200 on my last day going into Mil Leave.


I got no problem standing short call. But sometimes it just seems like it's borderline retarded how they dole it out. 9 hour does seem like I have better chances of commuting now.
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Old 10-25-2018 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Worse case scenario - now 7*9= 63 hours of SC per month.
Worse case scenario -previous. 7*12= 84 hours of SC per month.

Scoop

The difference (84 minus 63) is 21 hours. That's 21 hours in that month you used to be essentially unusable.

Now, in that same month, its 21 additional hours you are available for another assignment. That's very close to an entire additional calendar day of availability (per pilot) to the company for zero cost (and zero pay.) Sorry, but I'm not interested in providing more availability for the same compensation.

This means more trip coverage via reserve assignment and therefore less trip coverage via GS.

It's a productivity gain. Plain as day. Productivity increases mean one of two things: more work with the same headcount, or the same amount of work with lower headcount.


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Old 10-25-2018 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr

This means more trip coverage via reserve assignment and therefore less trip coverage via GS.


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I’ll take the 9 hours, thanks. I don’t normally sit reserve, but see this as a win for commuters that do; especially very junior folks. Yes, it’s a productive gain for the company (or else they wouldn’t have done it); it’s also a win for many pilots. To your point, there may be a few less green slips handed out now. However 9 vice 12 hour SC may also be the difference in allowing a commuter to get home vs. having to get hotel rooms or crash pad. And with the holidays coming up, it’s a nice QOL perk - folks may be able to make it home and see their families that otherwise wouldn’t have been able to. Granted, it’s not a win for everyone for reasons previously posted by several, but many people do see this as a QOL win, especially commuters (that don’t see many GS anyway).
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Old 10-25-2018 | 10:05 PM
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Some guys can turn a wet dream into a nightmare.

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Old 10-25-2018 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
The difference (84 minus 63) is 21 hours. That's 21 hours in that month you used to be essentially unusable.

Now, in that same month, its 21 additional hours you are available for another assignment. That's very close to an entire additional calendar day of availability (per pilot) to the company for zero cost (and zero pay.) Sorry, but I'm not interested in providing more availability for the same compensation.

This means more trip coverage via reserve assignment and therefore less trip coverage via GS.

It's a productivity gain. Plain as day. Productivity increases mean one of two things: more work with the same headcount, or the same amount of work with lower headcount.


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This is some twisted logic. Everything you post above they can and have been doing for years. The only difference is now guys can fly home earlier, crack a brew, or go on a bike ride.

If they needed a pilot 9 hours after his SC they would just call and release you and only you early. Now they are releasing everyone early, even people they have no plans for.

SC being reduced 21 hours a month is not an increase in duty it is a decrease

Just like all the other Machiavellian plots that folks have been lamenting on SM - time will reveal all.

Plenty of real crap to be bummed about - but not this

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Old 10-25-2018 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop

SC being reduced 21 hours a month is not an increase in duty it is an increase.



Scoop
Uhhh, I think you meant decrease?

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Old 10-25-2018 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Uhhh, I think you meant decrease?

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Good catch Denny, just flew over the pond with some college mates. Pretty groggy at 7:19 in the UK.

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