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Old 06-06-2019 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
If you are trying to get on an earlier flight anyway, the commuter policy guarantees you will get on your second one.
You sure about this? I didn't read it that way last time I looked, although it's likely the company will want to get you to your trip.
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Old 06-06-2019 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
No, because by day of that other pilot has likely already made alternative plans. He has made it more likely that an offline jumpseater will get it because he prevented other online pilots from booking it themselves.

If you are trying to get on an earlier flight anyway, the commuter policy guarantees you will get on your second one. There is no reason to put a hold on the jumpseat and prevent someone else from being able to use it who wants to use that flight as their first one.
I wish all of us understood this as clearly as you have written it. JS should only be used for your Primary flight, you already have PS on your backup without blocking out someone else.
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Old 06-06-2019 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
You sure about this? I didn't read it that way last time I looked, although it's likely the company will want to get you to your trip.
Yes. Look at FOM 3.4.1



The company WILL provide positive space travel if you meet the requirements. If you abuse it you can be booted out for future usage (key word is abuse here). This requires you to use the "Unable to commute" policy. Call-in-honest, which has different requirements, just prevents you from getting in trouble. You can use either one for a given trip, "unable to commute" requires that the second flight be a Delta branded flight for you to get positive space on while call-in-honest allows two flights from any airline.

Unable to commute is company provided while Call-in-honest is a contractual requirement.
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Old 06-07-2019 | 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Yes. Look at FOM 3.4.1



The company WILL provide positive space travel if you meet the requirements. If you abuse it you can be booted out for future usage (key word is abuse here). This requires you to use the "Unable to commute" policy. Call-in-honest, which has different requirements, just prevents you from getting in trouble. You can use either one for a given trip, "unable to commute" requires that the second flight be a Delta branded flight for you to get positive space on while call-in-honest allows two flights from any airline.

Unable to commute is company provided while Call-in-honest is a contractual requirement.
Thanks for the details. I concur, then, that a JS reserved on one's backup is unnecessary and harmful to fellow pilots.
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Old 06-07-2019 | 03:21 AM
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Thanks for the details. I concur, then, that a JS reserved on one's backup is unnecessary and harmful to fellow pilots.
What do you think about a long call reserve pilot not assigned a trip who books the first jumpseat of the morning to insure that if he got called he can make it in 12 hours?
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Old 06-07-2019 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
What do you think about a long call reserve pilot not assigned a trip who books the first jumpseat of the morning to insure that if he got called he can make it in 12 hours?
Sounds reasonable to me. He has no expectation of being given positive space to get to work. Naturally he should cancel as soon as he knows it won't be needed.
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Old 06-07-2019 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Sounds reasonable to me. He has no expectation of being given positive space to get to work. Naturally he should cancel as soon as he knows it won't be needed.
I thought I heard someone got in trouble because they would book the first JS in and last JS out every day of LC just in case they were used.
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Old 06-07-2019 | 04:46 PM
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What do you think about a long call reserve pilot not assigned a trip who books the first jumpseat of the morning to insure that if he got called he can make it in 12 hours?
I don't believe you are supposed to book a jumpseat if you do not plan to use it. "In case I get called" would not fit the bill for that. It would also mean that every day he wasn't used he was tying up the jumpseat.
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Old 06-08-2019 | 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I don't believe you are supposed to book a jumpseat if you do not plan to use it. "In case I get called" would not fit the bill for that. It would also mean that every day he wasn't used he was tying up the jumpseat.
I agree with this, you should only book a seat you intend to use.
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Old 06-08-2019 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by UGBSM
Ok this is disingenuous, trying to compare commuting to deadheading. Your personal choice on how you get to work is NOT part of the scheduled operation. Is there no end to the pandering you commuters expect?
What's your beef with commuters?

As having been on both sides of the commuter fence, I think they help to balance the in-base crowd. They wind up with less Green Slips and choose a line over reserve. In base guys can vacuum up the GS's and sit reserve from home. Always seemed like a win-win to me.

And regardless of your feelings towards them, commuting is a right that's been a benefit of working for the airlines for decades. If they ever required everyone to live in base, we'd lose a lot of talent and would need some HUGE gains in the contract to compensate for QOL hit to many. I doubt they'd even be able to fully staff NYC. Anything that makes commuting easier is a welcome addition in my opinion, and I'm forever (hopefully) committed to living in base from now on.
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