C2019 Completed By The Amendable Date
06-03-2019, 08:13 PM
#171
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: A320 Left seat
Posts: 2,580
Originally Posted by FL370esq
Are you sure that as a Nov 2016 hire he can't hold ATL7ERB? And yes, he is on the seniority list.
Heck, let him fly as a Captain if he is merely flying as an FO based on his current category assignment. That means two line pilots will get paid for staying home (or the chance to triple-dip) while he and his "seeing eye" LCP fly the trip.
Heck, let him fly as a Captain if he is merely flying as an FO based on his current category assignment. That means two line pilots will get paid for staying home (or the chance to triple-dip) while he and his "seeing eye" LCP fly the trip.
06-03-2019, 08:55 PM
#172
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 648
Originally Posted by Bobman80
I’m not sure this person is even a pilot... Regardless, I wonder if he’s ever heard of FAR 12.533 (e)
(e) Each pilot in command has full control and authority in the operation of the aircraft, without limitation, over other crewmembers and their duties during flight time, whether or not he holds valid certificates authorizing him to perform the duties of those crewmembers.
But I guess “full control and authority-without limitation” is unclear. GMAFB.
(e) Each pilot in command has full control and authority in the operation of the aircraft, without limitation, over other crewmembers and their duties during flight time, whether or not he holds valid certificates authorizing him to perform the duties of those crewmembers.
But I guess “full control and authority-without limitation” is unclear. GMAFB.
Yes they have operational control of the aircraft but that doesn't make them airplane God. If I think you are doing something unsafe, I am well within my rights to do something up to and including taking the airplane from you. Man. You would think after all these years, reading comprehension from the over 50 crowd would be better.
06-03-2019, 09:08 PM
#173
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
No one is saying the captain is a god. Not a single person. It's a team sport, but in the end it's the captain's call unless there is a critical error.
I make it explicitly clear to the FO that if they see me doing something dumb to say and then do whatever they have to including making me cry to stop it. That is reciprocated- it's not a mistake until it gets past both of us. In the end, though... I'm leading the show. Crappy leaders get crappy results. Just because you don't accept the chain of command (when the CA tells you to do something non-standard unless it's unsafe or straight up stupid, it should be challenged then you do it) doesn't make the CA not your "boss."
I let everyone do their thing as a default, as we're trained professionals (I do make sure the FAs write down their names and the word if they don't... 5 second memory here, haha). People work better when they are let to do their job that they know, and they respect leadership better knowing they are trusted. In the end when the poop hits the fan, it's my call as CA, though.
38 years old, btw.
I make it explicitly clear to the FO that if they see me doing something dumb to say and then do whatever they have to including making me cry to stop it. That is reciprocated- it's not a mistake until it gets past both of us. In the end, though... I'm leading the show. Crappy leaders get crappy results. Just because you don't accept the chain of command (when the CA tells you to do something non-standard unless it's unsafe or straight up stupid, it should be challenged then you do it) doesn't make the CA not your "boss."
I let everyone do their thing as a default, as we're trained professionals (I do make sure the FAs write down their names and the word if they don't... 5 second memory here, haha). People work better when they are let to do their job that they know, and they respect leadership better knowing they are trusted. In the end when the poop hits the fan, it's my call as CA, though.
38 years old, btw.
06-03-2019, 09:36 PM
#174
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,116
Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
Some of you need to learn how to read and not get so offended when your fake authority is threatened. Again..captains are not my boss. I don't know why this is such a sticking point. If you wanted to lead people, you should have applied to management.
Yes they have operational control of the aircraft but that doesn't make them airplane God. If I think you are doing something unsafe, I am well within my rights to do something up to and including taking the airplane from you. Man. You would think after all these years, reading comprehension from the over 50 crowd would be better.
Yes they have operational control of the aircraft but that doesn't make them airplane God. If I think you are doing something unsafe, I am well within my rights to do something up to and including taking the airplane from you. Man. You would think after all these years, reading comprehension from the over 50 crowd would be better.
Family feud survey says u mite be an only child.
Seems you are wasting your time and considerable talents here with obtuse senior citizens. Perhaps its better invested in ohh idk.....maybe the atl cpo?
Last edited by BobZ; 06-03-2019 at 09:55 PM.
06-03-2019, 09:40 PM
#175
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 648
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
No one is saying the captain is a god. Not a single person. It's a team sport, but in the end it's the captain's call unless there is a critical error.
I make it explicitly clear to the FO that if they see me doing something dumb to say and then do whatever they have to including making me cry to stop it. That is reciprocated- it's not a mistake until it gets past both of us. In the end, though... I'm leading the show. Crappy leaders get crappy results. Just because you don't accept the chain of command (when the CA tells you to do something non-standard unless it's unsafe or straight up stupid, it should be challenged then you do it) doesn't make the CA not your "boss."
I let everyone do their thing as a default, as we're trained professionals (I do make sure the FAs write down their names and the word if they don't... 5 second memory here, haha). People work better when they are let to do their job that they know, and they respect leadership better knowing they are trusted. In the end when the poop hits the fan, it's my call as CA, though.
38 years old, btw.
I make it explicitly clear to the FO that if they see me doing something dumb to say and then do whatever they have to including making me cry to stop it. That is reciprocated- it's not a mistake until it gets past both of us. In the end, though... I'm leading the show. Crappy leaders get crappy results. Just because you don't accept the chain of command (when the CA tells you to do something non-standard unless it's unsafe or straight up stupid, it should be challenged then you do it) doesn't make the CA not your "boss."
I let everyone do their thing as a default, as we're trained professionals (I do make sure the FAs write down their names and the word if they don't... 5 second memory here, haha). People work better when they are let to do their job that they know, and they respect leadership better knowing they are trusted. In the end when the poop hits the fan, it's my call as CA, though.
38 years old, btw.
This whole post started when people got their panties in a wad that some management guy was flying in the left seat because he didn't deserve it or earned it or too junior to be qualified, yada yada. The point i am making is that, while the company does give captains a lot of leeway as the PIC of the flight, outside the cockpit of the flights you are assigned to fly, the title is highly symbolic. It doesn't carry any true authority and trying to stand on your soapbox that so and so hasn't earned it is lunacy.
06-03-2019, 10:33 PM
#176
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,117
Originally Posted by Big E 757
I’m sure he can hold B. I thought someone said he’s checked out as a Captain.
06-04-2019, 02:10 AM
#178
Super Moderator
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,558
Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
The fact that you guys care so much about a stupid title is just blowing my mind.
So about that contract by the amendable date... Any bets on VBs/TDYs coming rearing their heads again?
06-04-2019, 05:32 AM
#180
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,034
Just leaving this here
Lifestyle brand anyone?
https://s2.q4cdn.com/181345880/files...Conference.pdf
My guess is we are going to see the widget on a lot more “stuff” and other airplanes are part of the plan.
https://s2.q4cdn.com/181345880/files...Conference.pdf
My guess is we are going to see the widget on a lot more “stuff” and other airplanes are part of the plan.
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