Being punished for calling in fatigued.
06-13-2019, 06:22 AM
#91
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Baradium,
If it would have said,....... " In fact, I think it's the responsible thing to do FOR ME".......I would totally agree with you
As it stands....I think the way I interpreted it was valid
If it would have said,....... " In fact, I think it's the responsible thing to do FOR ME".......I would totally agree with you
As it stands....I think the way I interpreted it was valid
06-13-2019, 06:28 AM
#92
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Pretty sure what he is getting at is the credit for that trip will show on your timecard so you may NOT be able to WS a trip to cover the lost time since a resolution to whether you get paid for said trip won't be resolved until possibly a month or two down the road.
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06-13-2019, 10:54 AM
#93
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
While not fatigued, I did have to call in sick in a situation that royally screwed the operation. It was so bad that even when I called Crew Accommodations regarding transportation to the airport 30 hours later, the woman on the other end said, "Oh! Your THAT person!"
However, I never received an push back or retaliation from anyone. My initial call was forwarded to the Duty Pilot (an action that may irritate some), but the only thing the Duty Pilot wanted to know was if I needed a doctor sent to the hotel room. I didn't get defensive and treated everyone with respect. If you do get someone who you feel is pressuring you, the worst thing you can do is be a d!ck back. As long as you abide by the FARs and aren't rude, there is nothing they can do.
However, I never received an push back or retaliation from anyone. My initial call was forwarded to the Duty Pilot (an action that may irritate some), but the only thing the Duty Pilot wanted to know was if I needed a doctor sent to the hotel room. I didn't get defensive and treated everyone with respect. If you do get someone who you feel is pressuring you, the worst thing you can do is be a d!ck back. As long as you abide by the FARs and aren't rude, there is nothing they can do.
06-13-2019, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Baradium,
If it would have said,....... " In fact, I think it's the responsible thing to do FOR ME".......I would totally agree with you
As it stands....I think the way I interpreted it was valid
If it would have said,....... " In fact, I think it's the responsible thing to do FOR ME".......I would totally agree with you
As it stands....I think the way I interpreted it was valid
06-13-2019, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 4fans
He was probably referring to the fatigue call being heavily influenced by events that happened before sign in. Example: your 4 year old has a bad dream, comes down to your bed at 1am screaming. Then once you settle him down he proceeds to give you a kick in the throat or ribs approximately once an hour until you wake up at 5am to get ready for your trip. Purely hypothetical of course..
06-17-2019, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
New DALPA email out. Not accepting extension still going to require fatigued paperwork.
I don't know if it's training or individuals who think they're trying to save the world, but I always feel very heavy pressure in the moment to continue the operation regardless of circumstances. Dispatch, scheduling/tracking, gate agents, passengers, and sometimes even the other pilot can often apply direct or indirect pressure to tough it out and keep going. That said, I've fatigued out and sicked out mid-trip and I've never had an ounce of push back from the duty pilot and I've never had to explain my actions to a chief pilot. So yes, I feel like there is external (and maybe even internal) pressure to fly fatigued but when push comes to shove, I feel like Flight OPS has my back. Even if it didn't, I'd still owe it to myself, family, and passengers to make an unpopular decision when its the right one to make.
06-18-2019, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Exactly. I think for the vast majority of Delta Pilots the most pressure to press on is internal.
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And no one has ever taken me to task for calling it a day.
06-18-2019, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
Dispatch, scheduling/tracking, gate agents, passengers, and sometimes even the other pilot can often apply direct or indirect pressure to tough it out and keep going.
Their days are limited, so why should ours be? Once that door is closed, they assume everything will be just fine. They don't ever see the close call we had due to fatigue, the ASAP we had to write as a result, or the phone call with the chief pilot. From their point of view, the previous crew extended in a similar situation, so why can't you?
For me, it is a hell of a lot easier telling the gate agent, the passengers, the other pilot, or anyone in the OCC that I am fatigued than it is doing a carpet dance in the chief pilot's office or getting a phone call from the ALPA gate keeper due to FOQA data.
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