Being punished for calling in fatigued.
06-10-2019, 06:26 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
Legal but not reasonable. I've been rerouted into an extra leg that showed 10 minutes from block in from one leg to block out of the next in order for the extension to be "legal". Then when you somehow can't manage to make that tight turn and are "delayed" into your extension, it's on the pilot to call in fatigued or unfit for duty. The company's ethics can often be suspect.
CS has to build reroutes and trips with their minimum proprietary turn times, no?
06-10-2019, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I'm still not sure how this is legal. Alpa and the company say it is, but to me it doesn't pass the common sense test. The company is all in on this one. Happens multiple times per day during irops.
06-10-2019, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I'm still not sure how this is legal. Alpa and the company say it is, but to me it doesn't pass the common sense test. The company is all in on this one. Happens multiple times per day during irops.
06-10-2019, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
It’s not legal. I have never noted ALPA to allow this. In fact it’s been the opposite. The contract requires they use reasonable turn times.
06-10-2019, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
Legal but not reasonable. I've been rerouted into an extra leg that showed 10 minutes from block in from one leg to block out of the next in order for the extension to be "legal". Then when you somehow can't manage to make that tight turn and are "delayed" into your extension, it's on the pilot to call in fatigued or unfit for duty. The company's ethics can often be suspect.
06-10-2019, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
Wasn’t there a discussion about the company using its own AME and the possible consequences prior to your last cba?
06-10-2019, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
It’s not legal. I have never noted ALPA to allow this. In fact it’s been the opposite. The contract requires they use reasonable turn times.
06-10-2019, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaBeta
I have seen this happen many times, but not intentionally. Every time it is a short turn time it happens from a delay to the airport via holding, stuck waiting for the gate etc. the company does run on a tight margin, but not in a malicious manor.
06-10-2019, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
The point here is when they put it on your schedule, the schedule has to be realistic. Being already delayed is not an excuse.
06-10-2019, 06:04 PM
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Sorry, but I'm not going to go by a message board. I called the actual official channels and they both said it's legal. Crew tracking said I could refuse the extension, but insisted it was legal. My captain said it was legal and ALPA said it was legal. Until an official avenue says it's illegal, our only option is fatiguing out.
I actually agree with you guys, but my opinion doesn't matter.
I actually agree with you guys, but my opinion doesn't matter.
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