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gopher3 08-12-2019 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by PassportPlump (Post 2868974)
LOL. I am getting OOBGS calls like crazy. I emailed the AskEd email address about our current staffing situation and why we have only hired ~260ish pilots this year. We are well outside of IROPs now and it appears to be getting worse.

With June and July record months for green slips I would venture to say that someone’s got to xsplainnn to do.

Nah....just ask Sailing...no need to staff the airline for the three busiest months of the year so we can be fat on staffing the other 9 months. Work..work..work minions

3 green 08-12-2019 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by PassportPlump (Post 2868974)
LOL. I am getting OOBGS calls like crazy. I emailed the AskEd email address about our current staffing situation and why we have only hired ~260ish pilots this year. We are well outside of IROPs now and it appears to be getting worse.

With June and July record months for green slips I would venture to say that someone’s got to xsplainnn to do.

Being short staffed is a good thing in my opinion. That means more greenslips and easier whiteslips if you choose to do them(if you don't want to do them, then don't). Other than more reroutes, nothing bad comes with under staffing from a pilots perspective. I hope we stayed understaffed forever.

Extenda 08-12-2019 09:57 AM

Since we aren’t putting any new hires into the 320, are there any people right now moving lateral into the fleet? I feel like staffing is only going to get thinner because they are still delivering 2-3 per month, right? I assume the planes aren’t just sitting around waiting for the next AE.

Denny Crane 08-12-2019 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 2868993)
Being short staffed is a good thing in my opinion. That means more greenslips and easier whiteslips if you choose to do them(if you don't want to do them, then don't). Other than more reroutes, nothing bad comes with under staffing from a pilots perspective. I hope we stayed understaffed forever.

You may be able to GS and WS like crazy but dropping trips and SWP can be fairly hard to do if your category is undermanned. Things in a month can change/come up after the initial bid....

Denny

HTBH 08-12-2019 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 2868999)
Since we aren’t putting any new hires into the 320, are there any people right now moving lateral into the fleet? I feel like staffing is only going to get thinner because they are still delivering 2-3 per month, right? I assume the planes aren’t just sitting around waiting for the next AE.

I thought they slowed the deliveries down, but don't have the exact numbers. Maybe that's just the NEO's... I'm hoping for some movement in the next AE for the 320 as well. It's surprising with a growing fleet that large that the only people who've gone into it recently seemed to be displacements only. I figured there'd be a couple open spots somewhere. We'll see in a few weeks with the AE.

80ktsClamp 08-12-2019 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by gopher3 (Post 2868978)
Nah....just ask Sailing...no need to staff the airline for the three busiest months of the year so we can be fat on staffing the other 9 months. Work..work..work minions

Never mind that we aren’t shouldering this year like we did years ago... it’s going to keep on chugging!

ERflyer 08-12-2019 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by gopher3 (Post 2868978)
Nah....just ask Sailing...no need to staff the airline for the three busiest months of the year so we can be fat on staffing the other 9 months. Work..work..work minions

I’m well beyond the point of flying a GS or A with a domestic redeye, 10 hour layover followed by a domestic redeye DH. Or a super short notice report. Or any other super terrible rotation they cough up.

Obviously they get covered by someone but I’m done. Wouldn’t do it for quadruple pay.

Falcon20 08-12-2019 10:56 AM

Saw a new stat on the board outside the OCC.

Pilot Efficiency!

No idea how it’s measured but it was red at -16%.

PassportPlump 08-12-2019 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 2868993)
Being short staffed is a good thing in my opinion. That means more greenslips and easier whiteslips if you choose to do them(if you don't want to do them, then don't). Other than more reroutes, nothing bad comes with under staffing from a pilots perspective. I hope we stayed understaffed forever.

Well I have a wife, kids, a family, and friends I enjoy being around from time to time. So yeah, short staffing kind of stinks for me and people like me. If I was married to Delta and the jet I fly, I guess your perspective makes sense.

I’m perfectly fine living on the $160,000 I make a year just flying my bid award. Not a huge fan of 80+ hour ALV’s either.

My reroutes have mostly benefited me this summer. The delays caused waiting for a captain to show up for a greenslip on a split rotation have cost me some commutes home.

In my previous life this is how the operation went on, and then sick and fatigue calls start rolling into an already under staffed operation. Short staffing an airline costs a lot to pilots in terms of QOL, upgrades, etc.

gopher3 08-12-2019 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by PassportPlump (Post 2869034)
Well I have a wife, kids, a family, and friends I enjoy being around from time to time. So yeah, short staffing kind of stinks for me and people like me. If I was married to Delta and the jet I fly, I guess your perspective makes sense.

I’m perfectly fine living on the $160,000 I make a year just flying my bid award. Not a huge fan of 80+ hour ALV’s either.

My reroutes have mostly benefited me this summer. The delays caused waiting for a captain to show up for a greenslip on a split rotation have cost me some commutes home.

In my previous life this is how the operation went on, and then sick and fatigue calls start rolling into an already under staffed operation. Short staffing an airline costs a lot to pilots in terms of QOL, upgrades, etc.

I agree 100 percent but unfortunately if you are in the QOL camp you are in the minority here. It will continue to deteriorate as more qol items will be sold for pay rates in the next contract. And Alpa national only cares about their dues $ and qol items in our contract dont pay their bills. The company will push hard for max efficiencies out of us and the majority here are a very predictable group.


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