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sailingfun 08-07-2019 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2866793)
They have to pay the senior person that accepted it for the window that was subsequently cancelled. Look up the callout number and send it to ALPA scheds. This is apparently happening a whole lot.

If it’s been accepted and acknowledged they have to pay you.

tom14cat14 08-07-2019 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2866770)
Another meltdown in progress. But we're properly staffed, right?

Had a brilliant one tonight- ARCOS called for a 2-day GS for an already delayed flight. Half way through the process, they cancelled the window. I notified ALPA scheduling (thanks, tunes!), and a CA is getting paid for that.

I looked it up, and they had rerouted another CA into it on the first leg of his trip. Knowing the CA and that he knows the contract, I figured he'd refuse it. He apparently did. 35 minutes later, I got another ARCOS call for the same flight on yet another 2 day rotation number.

Trying to go on the cheap, they had to pay 2 captains and delayed the flight an hour beyond the already delayed time.


Yep, I was called twice tonight for an inverse assignment I was not legal to fly. Today would have been day 6 with no 30 break and it was for a 3 day with no long overnight.

Extenda 08-07-2019 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2866799)
If it’s been accepted and acknowledged they have to pay you.

Whoah whoah whoah. I got a 2 day greenslip today. Got in car and drove 10 minutes, called scheduling to tell them I might be a little late if the traffic was bad, but they put me on hold for a few minutes and then told me that the trip was cancelled. Am I entitled to anything? My mentor said no. I’m on reserve if that matters.

Trip7 08-07-2019 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 2866825)
Whoah whoah whoah. I got a 2 day greenslip today. Got in car and drove 10 minutes, called scheduling to tell them I might be a little late if the traffic was bad, but they put me on hold for a few minutes and then told me that the trip was cancelled. Am I entitled to anything? My mentor said no. I’m on reserve if that matters.

Lineholders only are pay protected. Reserves are SOL

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80ktsClamp 08-08-2019 12:57 AM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 2866825)
Whoah whoah whoah. I got a 2 day greenslip today. Got in car and drove 10 minutes, called scheduling to tell them I might be a little late if the traffic was bad, but they put me on hold for a few minutes and then told me that the trip was cancelled. Am I entitled to anything? My mentor said no. I’m on reserve if that matters.

Lesson learned here (hopefully): you get the slip, you do the best you can to get there! If something weird happens, sure...but if it’s just traffic, it is what it is. That was wrong for them to punish you for being honest, and it’s why you just do what you can.

TED74 08-08-2019 02:20 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2866770)
Trying to go on the cheap, they had to pay 2 captains and delayed the flight an hour beyond the already delayed time.

From my perspective, they often lose the forest for the trees. For instance, they'll chop up a 3-day, make a 2-day green slip out of the front, and then have to make a another 2-day green slip on the back. Weird.

sailingfun 08-08-2019 03:22 AM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 2866825)
Whoah whoah whoah. I got a 2 day greenslip today. Got in car and drove 10 minutes, called scheduling to tell them I might be a little late if the traffic was bad, but they put me on hold for a few minutes and then told me that the trip was cancelled. Am I entitled to anything? My mentor said no. I’m on reserve if that matters.

I would first check and see if the flight operated and who covered it. Reserves are not pay protected however they must allow you the same response time as a shortcall pilot. At a minimum I would say you are due suit up pay.

Falcon20 08-08-2019 03:28 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2866880)
I would first check and see if the flight operated and who covered it. Reserves are not pay protected however they must allow you the same response time as a shortcall pilot. At a minimum I would say you are due suit up pay.

You forget about this part of the contract as it’s rare a rotation is NOOP’d. However if a reserve guy gets a GS and gets to sign in only to be delayed for hours until the trip is NOOP’d that GS becomes 2 hours suit up pay towards guarantee. A pretty raw deal IMHO. I think they should at least get 1 day above guarantee.

Hillbilly 08-08-2019 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2866793)
They have to pay the senior person that accepted it for the window that was subsequently cancelled. Look up the callout number and send it to ALPA scheds. This is apparently happening a whole lot.


Recently I started taking screenshots of everything when the ARCOS alerts start rolling in.

hockeypilot44 08-08-2019 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2866786)
They can’t cancel the window? They did that to me a month or two ago and then reran it later that day with the same trips. A GS went to someone senior to me (which may or may not have happened if they hadn’t stopped the window the first time).

I wouldn't refuse a first leg reroute. That's a jackpot reroute. It's against the contract. You'll essentially get triple pay.


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