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Gspeed 07-30-2019 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2861086)
While we should be more in line with the rest of the airlines on this, and on top of it we had a very rough go to start (Delta’s fault), but this is the normal experience. Make the call and get rested. Remember that when you choose to extend, the state you are in is approaching inebriation, so factor that into the equation.

Worth highlighting for those that might not fully appreciate the gravity of accepting an extension.

hockeypilot44 07-30-2019 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2861772)
Worth highlighting for those that might not fully appreciate the gravity of accepting an extension.

You can say what you want. The company has made it clear that they expect us to extend in most situations. Extending is the path of least resistance. As long as these things are true, majority of our guys are going to extend.

gloopy 07-30-2019 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey (Post 2861736)
What's allot?

As in "we will never order allot of 747-800's"

flyingmau5 07-30-2019 11:59 AM

Couple of GS rotations went out today on the 73Bs. :D

ERflyer 07-30-2019 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2861086)
While we should be more in line with the rest of the airlines on this, and on top of it we had a very rough go to start (Delta’s fault), but this is the normal experience. Make the call and get rested. Remember that when you choose to extend, the state you are in is approaching inebriation, so factor that into the equation.

Some would say it is worse than being inebriated. Everyone should read “Why We Sleep” by Matthew Walker.

“... studies in the US have shown that when you limit [medical] residents to no more than a sixteen-hour shift, with at least an eight-hour rest opportunity before the next shift, the number of serious medical errors made—defined as causing or having the potential to cause harm to a patient—drops by over 20 percent.”

Additionally, some of the worse accidents and incidents in history had lack of sleep as major contributing factors:

Exxon Valdez:
“Early reports suggested that the captain was inebriated while navigating the vessel. Later, however, it was revealed that the sober captain had turned over command to his third mate on deck, who had only slept six out of the previous forty-eight hours,”

Chernobyl:
“ ... was the fault of sleep-deprived operators working an exhaustive shift, occurring, without coincidence, at one a.m.” [Yes, there were other factors - as always.]

Luckily not in the book:
A certain airline:
One pilot became ill immediately after takeoff. This resulted in the other two pilots not getting a rest break as they should have and not sleeping during the 9 hour all night flight. The end result was landing a wide body aircraft on a taxiway early in the morning. Fortunately there were no other aircraft on the normally busy taxiway.

notEnuf 07-30-2019 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2859952)
United has this in their contract. I don't see their planes falling out of the sky

Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk

You are just shifting the pressure source from management to peer. I am not doing it regardless of the other 2 pilots financial situation.

Gspeed 07-30-2019 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 2862014)
Some would say it is worse than being inebriated. Everyone should read “Why We Sleep” by Matthew Walker.

“... studies in the US have shown that when you limit [medical] residents to no more than a sixteen-hour shift, with at least an eight-hour rest opportunity before the next shift, the number of serious medical errors made—defined as causing or having the potential to cause harm to a patient—drops by over 20 percent.”

Additionally, some of the worse accidents and incidents in history had lack of sleep as major contributing factors:

Exxon Valdez:
“Early reports suggested that the captain was inebriated while navigating the vessel. Later, however, it was revealed that the sober captain had turned over command to his third mate on deck, who had only slept six out of the previous forty-eight hours,”

Chernobyl:
“ ... was the fault of sleep-deprived operators working an exhaustive shift, occurring, without coincidence, at one a.m.” [Yes, there were other factors - as always.]

Luckily not in the book:
A certain airline:
One pilot became ill immediately after takeoff. This resulted in the other two pilots not getting a rest break as they should have and not sleeping during the 9 hour all night flight. The end result was landing a wide body aircraft on a taxiway early in the morning. Fortunately there were no other aircraft on the normally busy taxiway.

You and your crazy talk!
/sarc

80ktsClamp 08-07-2019 06:18 PM

Another meltdown in progress. But we're properly staffed, right?

Had a brilliant one tonight- ARCOS called for a 2-day GS for an already delayed flight. Half way through the process, they cancelled the window. I notified ALPA scheduling (thanks, tunes!), and a CA is getting paid for that.

I looked it up, and they had rerouted another CA into it on the first leg of his trip. Knowing the CA and that he knows the contract, I figured he'd refuse it. He apparently did. 35 minutes later, I got another ARCOS call for the same flight on yet another 2 day rotation number.

Trying to go on the cheap, they had to pay 2 captains and delayed the flight an hour beyond the already delayed time.

Gspeed 08-07-2019 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2866770)
Another meltdown in progress. But we're properly staffed, right?

Had a brilliant one tonight- ARCOS called for a 2-day GS for an already delayed flight. Half way through the process, they cancelled the window. I notified ALPA scheduling (thanks, tunes!), and a CA is getting paid for that.

I looked it up, and they had rerouted another CA into it on the first leg of his trip. Knowing the CA and that he knows the contract, I figured he'd refuse it. He apparently did. 35 minutes later, I got another ARCOS call for the same flight on yet another 2 day rotation number.

Trying to go on the cheap, they had to pay 2 captains and delayed the flight an hour beyond the already delayed time.

They can’t cancel the window? They did that to me a month or two ago and then reran it later that day with the same trips. A GS went to someone senior to me (which may or may not have happened if they hadn’t stopped the window the first time).

80ktsClamp 08-07-2019 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2866786)
They can’t cancel the window? They did that to me a month or two ago and then reran it later that day with the same trips. A GS went to someone senior to me (which may or may not have happened if they hadn’t stopped the window the first time).

They have to pay the senior person that accepted it for the window that was subsequently cancelled. Look up the callout number and send it to ALPA scheds. This is apparently happening a whole lot.


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