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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2867080)
I am not sure why you think this. ARCOS did not modify pay protection in any way. You are only pay protected for a trip when it has been placed on your schedule and acknowledged.
Again, please stop posting inaccurate information....do yourself a favor and look at PWA 23.Q.12 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by GuardPolice
(Post 2867100)
It’s not against the contract, at not least in my experience. 23.M.7 is a company convenience clause that allows a scheduler to forego 23.N and O coverage sequences to maintain schedule integrity. Perfectly allowed but it costs them a buttload of money.
If this is triggered the rerouted pilot should get single pay/credit for original rotation and double pay/no credit for the rotation flown. On top, the pilot who lost a slip should get single pay for the rotation the rerouted pilot flew. GP 23.M.7 does not trump 23.L.2. The pay you are referring to is the company’s “punishment” for violating 23.L.2. 23.M.7 allows them to forego the coverage ladder for a legal reroute (also with pay implications).* *not a lawyer Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 2867142)
23.M.7 does not trump 23.L.2. The pay you are referring to is the company’s “punishment” for violating 23.L.2. 23.M.7 allows them to forego the coverage ladder for a legal reroute (also with pay implications).*
*not a lawyer Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Apples and oranges. The pilot that flew is paid for the 23.L.2.a violation. Additionally a 23.m.7 pilot is identified and paid single pay no credit Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 2867066)
If it’s not an FAR violation, the RLA essentially requires you to “fly now, grieve later.”
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Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2867118)
Again, please stop posting inaccurate information....do yourself a favor and look at PWA 23.Q.12
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk By the way the section dealing with pay protection is section 4F for rotations not section 23. It clearly states on a pilots line. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2867190)
Changes nothing. The section you reference is about errors. It has nothing to do with the company canceling a trip prior to it being awarded. The section you reference in fact gives the company the ability to remove a rotation from a pilots line without pay protection. Again until a trip has been placed on your line there is no pay protection for WS or GS trips.
By the way the section dealing with pay protection is section 4F for rotations not section 23. It clearly states on a pilots line. Try reading again, slowly this time, specifically the part that says "Such corrections will not generate a rotation guarantee for the rotation removed." I process these all the time, you are barking up the wrong tree. |
Ouuuuchhhh
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Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2867199)
are you seriously still trying this argument? You can be awarded a next day green slip, it can be on your line for 10 hours, and as long as scheduling pulls it greater than 2 hours prior to report because they skipped a step of coverage and go back, you get NOTHING.
Try reading again, slowly this time, specifically the part that says "Such corrections will not generate a rotation guarantee for the rotation removed." I process these all the time, you are barking up the wrong tree. Error corrections also deal only with the award process. A canceled or NOOP trip is pay protected if it’s on your line. |
Sailing, tunes has very specifically answered you multiple times.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 2867218)
Sailing, tunes has very specifically answered you multiple times.
We were not even discussing errors in the award process. That section deals only with correcting a award if it was given to the wrong pilot. “”But you can't accept anything until the window closes because there's nothing to accept. Seems like whoever was first in line to get it should get paid for it in that case.”” |
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