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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2866799)

If it’s been accepted and acknowledged they have to pay you.

But you can't accept anything until the window closes because there's nothing to accept.

Seems like whoever was first in line to get it should get paid for it in that case.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2866793)

They have to pay the senior person that accepted it for the window that was subsequently cancelled. Look up the callout number and send it to ALPA scheds. This is apparently happening a whole lot.

partially true. If they stop the coverage before the window closes, the senior pilot to not respond get's paid. The 'assumption' is that the senior guy has until the last second to accept the trip.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2866799)

If it’s been accepted and acknowledged they have to pay you.

not true, they have up to 2 hours prior to report to fix for errors and omissions with no pay protection.

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Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 2866825)

Whoah whoah whoah. I got a 2 day greenslip today. Got in car and drove 10 minutes, called scheduling to tell them I might be a little late if the traffic was bad, but they put me on hold for a few minutes and then told me that the trip was cancelled. Am I entitled to anything? My mentor said no. I’m on reserve if that matters.

see above. If REG and greater than 2 hours to sign in no soup for you. RES, if you had made it to the airport before calling them 2 hours of suit up pay towards guarantee.

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2866829)

Lineholders only are pay protected. Reserves are SOL

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for the most part, except the errors and omissions part.

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Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 2866883)

You forget about this part of the contract as it’s rare a rotation is NOOP’d. However if a reserve guy gets a GS and gets to sign in only to be delayed for hours until the trip is NOOP’d that GS becomes 2 hours suit up pay towards guarantee. A pretty raw deal IMHO. I think they should at least get 1 day above guarantee.

yep, only if you show up.

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2866996)

I wouldn't refuse a first leg reroute. That's a jackpot reroute. It's against the contract. You'll essentially get triple pay.

You shouldn't just willingly violate our contract though. That sets a bad precedent.

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2866996)

I wouldn't refuse a first leg reroute. That's a jackpot reroute. It's against the contract. You'll essentially get triple pay.

sometimes it can be 23k recovery and perfectly legal while it looks like a reroute to the pilot the entire time.

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 2867059)

You shouldn't just willingly violate our contract though. That sets a bad precedent.

If it’s not an FAR violation, the RLA essentially requires you to “fly now, grieve later.”

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2867054)

But you can't accept anything until the window closes because there's nothing to accept.

Seems like whoever was first in line to get it should get paid for it in that case.

I am not sure why you think this. ARCOS did not modify pay protection in any way. You are only pay protected for a trip when it has been placed on your schedule and acknowledged.

No you are not necessarily pay protected. Im a reg pilot and had cs take away my Arcos acknowledged GS the other day. Claimed ARCOS made a mistake. 18 hours to report so nothing for me just took it off my line. Pretty sure they in fact do have up to 2 hr prior to report to correct errors.

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 2867059)

You shouldn't just willingly violate our contract though. That sets a bad precedent.

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2866996)

I wouldn't refuse a first leg reroute. That's a jackpot reroute. It's against the contract. You'll essentially get triple pay.

It’s not against the contract, at not least in my experience. 23.M.7 is a company convenience clause that allows a scheduler to forego 23.N and O coverage sequences to maintain schedule integrity. Perfectly allowed but it costs them a buttload of money.

If this is triggered the rerouted pilot should get single pay/credit for original rotation and double pay/no credit for the rotation flown. On top, the pilot who lost a slip should get single pay for the rotation the rerouted pilot flew.

GP

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2867080)

I am not sure why you think this. ARCOS did not modify pay protection in any way. You are only pay protected for a trip when it has been placed on your schedule and acknowledged.

Thats not true first of all.

You are pay protected even if you never knew the trip existed, if it should have been assigned to you. No acknowledgement required, nor does it have to be placed on your schedule. These things, when caught by DALPA, pay out all the time to pilots who didn't even know about it.

Secondly, WRT ARCOS, the discussion was it being cancelled during the assignment window. By definition there is no such thing as acknowledgement in that situation. All someone can do it say yes I'd like to do it, however until the window closes that may not be relevant at all. Likewise, someone who didn't yet put them selves in line for that trip when the window was cancelled does not lose any assignment rights because there is no such thing as first come first served before the window ends.