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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2867217)
We are talking about two totally different things. The original post was about someone wanting to be pay protected for a trip that was a ARCOS call but cancelled before the award. There are no pay protection provisions until after the trip is awarded.
And you are wrong. I have also gotten guys paid for exactly that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2867223)
I would disagree, all I have stated is that the poster talking about pay protection for a ARCOS alert where the trip was never awarded is in error. There is no pay protection until the trip is on your line. Once the trip is awarded you are protected even if the rotation is canceled 30 seconds after you acknowledge the award. I have been called for GS and had the rotation cancelled 5 minutes later. Awarded another trip 20 minutes later and it also went noop. Pay protected for both.
We were not even discussing errors in the award process. That section deals only with correcting a award if it was given to the wrong pilot. “”But you can't accept anything until the window closes because there's nothing to accept. Seems like whoever was first in line to get it should get paid for it in that case.”” Again, This is incorrect information. There absolutely is pay protection if the company stops the call-out before the time expires. I have said this multiple times. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2867242)
And you are wrong. I have also gotten guys paid for exactly that.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk One other thing that should be mentioned because I see this error all the time. ARCOS does not award or decide trip coverage. It is a notification tool only. The scheduler still pulls the trip coverage report just like before ARCOS. She then sends that trip coverage to ARCOS for notification only. |
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2867249)
So you have gotten pilots paid for a trip merely because it was in open time? I saw a trip in July that was in open time I wanted. It was canceled before awarded however I was probably the senior guy so I should be paid for it?
One other thing that should be mentioned because I see this error all the time. ARCOS does not award or decide trip coverage. It is a notification tool only. The scheduler still pulls the trip coverage report just like before ARCOS. She then sends that trip coverage to ARCOS for notification only. Is that what I said? No. I specifically said multiple times and will say it again one more time for you. I have gotten pilots paid for ARCOS callouts that scheduling has stopped the callout during the response window. 100% of the time I've encountered it I've gotten pilots paid for it. The one 80kts talked about, I will get the senior pilot paid for it too. The scheduler pulls the trip coverage, sets the batch size, then arcos makes the calls. I've also gotten guys paid when scheduling sets the wrong response window and closes it before the 15 minutes Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2867270)
Is that what I said? No. I specifically said multiple times and will say it again one more time for you. I have gotten pilots paid for ARCOS callouts that scheduling has stopped the callout during the response window. 100% of the time I've encountered it I've gotten pilots paid for it. The one 80kts talked about, I will get the senior pilot paid for it too.
The scheduler pulls the trip coverage, sets the batch size, then arcos makes the calls. I've also gotten guys paid when scheduling sets the wrong response window and closes it before the 15 minutes Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2867270)
Is that what I said? No. I specifically said multiple times and will say it again one more time for you. I have gotten pilots paid for ARCOS callouts that scheduling has stopped the callout during the response window. 100% of the time I've encountered it I've gotten pilots paid for it. The one 80kts talked about, I will get the senior pilot paid for it too.
The scheduler pulls the trip coverage, sets the batch size, then arcos makes the calls. I've also gotten guys paid when scheduling sets the wrong response window and closes it before the 15 minutes Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Kudos for section 23 experts like tunes to helping get guys paid when they should instead of arguing against it! :cool: |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2867270)
Is that what I said? No. I specifically said multiple times and will say it again one more time for you. I have gotten pilots paid for ARCOS callouts that scheduling has stopped the callout during the response window. 100% of the time I've encountered it I've gotten pilots paid for it. The one 80kts talked about, I will get the senior pilot paid for it too.
The scheduler pulls the trip coverage, sets the batch size, then arcos makes the calls. I've also gotten guys paid when scheduling sets the wrong response window and closes it before the 15 minutes Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2867199)
are you seriously still trying this argument? You can be awarded a next day green slip, it can be on your line for 10 hours, and as long as scheduling pulls it greater than 2 hours prior to report because they skipped a step of coverage and go back, you get NOTHING.
Try reading again, slowly this time, specifically the part that says "Such corrections will not generate a rotation guarantee for the rotation removed." I process these all the time, you are barking up the wrong tree. |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2867270)
Is that what I said? No. I specifically said multiple times and will say it again one more time for you. I have gotten pilots paid for ARCOS callouts that scheduling has stopped the callout during the response window. 100% of the time I've encountered it I've gotten pilots paid for it. The one 80kts talked about, I will get the senior pilot paid for it too.
The scheduler pulls the trip coverage, sets the batch size, then arcos makes the calls. I've also gotten guys paid when scheduling sets the wrong response window and closes it before the 15 minutes Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It was really weird. I’ve seen back in the manual days where it’ll show the pilot on there while they are trying to contact him/her, but with Arcos, I would have thought a pilots name wouldn’t be there until it’s official. And for it to go 5000 numbers senior to the numbers I saw when it was bouncing between daily trip coverage and open time...I can’t understand what was going on. |
Originally Posted by Gspeed
(Post 2867349)
Crap. I wish I would have saved the screenshot in June when they stopped they window for a trip I wanted. #liveandlearn
Originally Posted by Big E 757
(Post 2867453)
Today I saw a trip in daily trip coverage awarded for a GS and he was junior to me. I looked again and it was in open time, then I saw it awarded again to someone junior to me again....I knew this trip met my criteria but I was on duty. I changed the “no” to “yes” on the GS request for acknowledging if you’re on duty, and immediately got a call from Arcos for this trip and selected it. Nothing further happened for 20 minutes and the trip sat in open time unawarded. I called scheduling before heading to the airplane and she checked with my scheduler and said there are no uncovered trips. All GS have been awarded, so I checked ICrew one more time and the guy who ended up with the trip was a 2800ish seniority number. It looked like it was covering it with a 7900ish number when I saw the 2 guys on the daily trip coverage with their names on the trip at different times.
It was really weird. I’ve seen back in the manual days where it’ll show the pilot on there while they are trying to contact him/her, but with Arcos, I would have thought a pilots name wouldn’t be there until it’s official. And for it to go 5000 numbers senior to the numbers I saw when it was bouncing between daily trip coverage and open time...I can’t understand what was going on. |
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