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GuardPolice 07-23-2019 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2857894)
Someone on Facebook! There is your answer! We might be able to get to 11,000 pilots if we drop 200 aircraft from the fleet.
I am not sure that everyone comprehends that the big credit reduction is simply bringing credit back to 2012 levels and is like a 1.2% reduction. There is no more blood in the turnip!


Nothing is gospel...ever. That said, I knew it was a major claim with nothing offered as proof. But, it’s Section 6 so every idea no matter how ridiculous is on the table.

I’m in what appears to be your camp on this...without a major fleet reduction that statement won’t come true no matter how much management wants it. I agree the numbers just don’t make any lick of sense.


GP

GuardPolice 07-23-2019 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2857886)
How do you eat an elephant?



I would look down the road, and apply the same gun that SWA put to the heads of the AirTran guys. At some point there will be a downturn in the economy... poor mouth will be cried... flying shifted to ensure survival.... done. It's a process.



Look at it another way. Do you think the airline industry is in it's final form forever and ever? What do you think is the next step? If it is global consolidation, which do you think will happen: Virgin (for example) gets our pay rates and we get their health bennies? Or will the company (whaever it is called) starts shifting costs to the most cost effective points?



It's mostly a thought exercise at this point, but I would wager that the industry is not in it's final form. Your opinion may differ.


The only constant in this business is change so of course I don’t believe Delta as we know it today will be the same when I retire. That’s just life. But, you seem convinced a global merger of some kind will happen so I was asking if anything in the PWA expressly allows or forbids it. It’s not a trick question as I truly don’t know.


GP

GuardPolice 07-23-2019 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by clear4approach (Post 2857861)
Thats like 6 years of retirements with zero hiring. No way.


Agreed. The only thing I’ve heard close to this is they want to get us down to the same pilot/airframe ratio as AA which, allegedly, we have a ways to go to get to.


GP

JamesBond 07-23-2019 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by GuardPolice (Post 2857909)
The only constant in this business is change so of course I don’t believe Delta as we know it today will be the same when I retire. That’s just life. But, you seem convinced a global merger of some kind will happen so I was asking if anything in the PWA expressly allows or forbids it. It’s not a trick question as I truly don’t know.


GP

I am no expert by a long shot, and someone else might chime in, but there is a fragmentation clause that I think would be applicable in this case. In any case, I don't believe this is a near term threat, but I also don't think we should flippantly dismiss it either.

gloopy 07-23-2019 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by GuardPolice (Post 2857911)
Agreed. The only thing I’ve heard close to this is they want to get us down to the same pilot/airframe ratio as AA which, allegedly, we have a ways to go to get to.

How many categories do we have compared to them? Even a couple more will force multiply the retirement wave big time, and that's assuming marketing doesn't drive sport category openings and closings.

JamesBond 07-23-2019 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by GuardPolice (Post 2857911)
Agreed. The only thing I’ve heard close to this is they want to get us down to the same pilot/airframe ratio as AA which, allegedly, we have a ways to go to get to.


GP

This brings up an interesting comparison. Marketwatch has an interesting statistic: revenue per employee. DAL makes almost $500k/employee. AAL is about $345k/employee. UAL is about $448 or so... and everybody else is down in the low $300Ks. Then if you look ar market caps/passengers emplaned... all those things.. it always makes me wonder how the 'largest airline' moniker is attached. From what I can tell it is purely on total revenue. But to get back to the discussion, I wonder if DAL were to get down to that same ratio what our numbers would look like. Seems to me we are already light years more efficient than anybody else, so why downsize?

Trip7 07-23-2019 01:49 PM

Weather looks to be good rest of the week in all the Hubs. Soon all will be back to normal and the panickly and outlandish posts will taper off[emoji23]

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SimWorld 07-23-2019 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2857969)
Weather looks to be good rest of the week in all the Hubs. Soon all will be back to normal and the panickly and outlandish posts will taper off[emoji23]

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ATL is a $h!t show today. Only 6 hrs and counting delayed on my ATL-MSP flight.

Broncos 07-23-2019 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by GuardPolice (Post 2857773)
Someone on FB is claiming RG wants us down to 11000 or fewer pilots. How is that even remotely possible...if it’s true at all?

For a corporation that craves a premium brand image, I’m blown away if they truly feel we can maintain our momentum with 3500 or more fewer pilots. Not even the sodomizer can be that good...


GP

If this were true, would we be actively hiring right now? No, we would not be.

tomgoodman 07-23-2019 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by Broncos (Post 2858071)
If this were true, would we be actively hiring right now? No, we would not be.

Maybe he does want 11,000, but not the same 11,000 he has now. :p


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